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Summary
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former defense minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas officials, accusing them of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza and during the October 2023 attacks.
The court alleges actions like depriving Gaza civilians of essential resources.
Israel and the U.S., non-members of the ICC, reject the warrants, with Netanyahu calling them antisemitic.
Hamas also criticized the decision.
The practical enforcement of these warrants remains uncertain, as the ICC lacks authority to compel arrests.
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The US and others were fine with it when they issued a warrant for Putin, I’m sure they’ll be on board for this as well, right?
‘‘How are you today?’’ ‘‘That’s an antisemitic question.’’
(again)
I heard that Bibi stubbed his toe on an antisemetic table this morning.
Bibi has a table that prevents vomiting? What else is that bastard hiding?!
Lmao thanks for pointing out the typo. Or perhaps it’s the zionists that keep making a mistake and are trying to tell us that ending the genocide in Gaza helps them throw up less?
Cue “ICC is antisemitic”, just like the ICJ, the UN, every human rights organisation, the Special Rapporteur, independent journalists, protestors etc etc.
Antisemitism and victimhood are the only cards left for Zio fascists to play with.
The original Nazis would always claim that they represented the Arian Race and that any criticism of them was “against the Arian Race” and the Zionists, a Neue Nazi group, do the same only using a different ethnicity.
This is far from the only way in which these Neue Nazis are the same as the original Nazis.
Finally
I doubt any country will have the stones to arrest him in the face of US pressure.
At least with America going full mask off as a force of evil, the rest of the world can stop waiting on us to do the right thing.
Seriously if anything good can come from this the U.S. needs to stop fucking around with other countries sovereignty and handle it’s own affairs for a few decades.
Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned ICC Chief Prosecutor Karim Khan’s request for warrants as disgraceful and antisemitic.
Antisemitism does manifest itself in both casual and systematic forms. The region-specific component is also important.
However, claims regarding antisemitism from the Israeli government are increasingly becoming a “reverse confirmation” of sorts. One could almost argue that if they call something antisemitic, chances are it’s actually not and may even be the correct course of action (clear cut cases notwithstanding).
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
That’s the definition they use, so anything you say against the State they see as being against the ethnicity, which doesn’t make sense.
Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned request for warrants as disgraceful and antisemitic.
I wasn’t aware he was a stand up comedian. I mean, I always knew he was a clown.
What region-specific component are you referring to? I’m genuinely asking, not being argumentative. I completely agree that holding Netanyahu accountable for war crimes is not antisemitism, let alone the ICC charging leaders on both sides of the conflict.
I am looking at it from a more abstract, generic perspective.
When you lose the right to freely travel, work, live in your country. There is going to be a lot of animosity around this. I don’t think it is fair to purely attribute this to a discriminatory attitude.
What do rank and file military realize they have to start refusing certain orders?
When do the Americans cut off the supply of certain weapons?
When does the Israeli populace see that a radically new direction is needed to secure peaceful relations “from the river to the sea”?
Finally! Now arrest the fuckers.
He first needs to come out of Israel to visit a country that recognizes the ICC…
Those warrants aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on, but it’s still nice to see official bodies outside the US calling Netanyahu what he is.
Not exactly. The ratifying countries are bound by contract to arrest them. Plus It’s a serious issue not to do it, because this would delegitimize the ICC as an institution, which is not in the interest of most ratifying countries. So it essentially boils down to a choice between losing the court as a valuable weapon against war criminals or bad relations with Israel.
What happens after an arrest is another matter and I think that is where the real pressure would happen
These warrants absolutely matter in terms of being a trumo card in several legal issues relating to EU-Israel relations.
It’s a nice thought. I won’t hold my breath expecting any real consequences for Israel, though.
The saddest thing is that if they do take action, it will be the lowest bar possible of accountability. They’ll for example ban products from illegal settlements and then let Israel redurect them anyways.
They’ve been preparing for this for a while. Months ago already I remember reading accusations of the ICC being antisemitic by Israelis and various sympathisers. The old fiddle that never stops playing.
It goes waaaay back
https://www.972mag.com/icc-israel-surveillance-investigation/
Now do their enablers.
Good news
Better late than never, for all the good it will do…
How’s that working out?
The name of the game is sanctions. Russian can sustain itself under “nuclear” sanctions. Sanction Israel, and the comfortable lifestyle of illegal Lebensraum settlers will start to look rather unattractive.
ICC charges are directed at individuals, not entire countries. They wouldn’t justify sanctions for the same reason governments don’t sanction Saudi Arabia for being the home of bin Laden.
I couldn’t think of a more absurd analogy. If Osama Bin Laden was Saudi Arabia’s head of state, and 9/11 was carried out by the Saudi military, and Saudi was party to the Rome Statute, then maybe you make such an analogy. As it actually stands, Netanyahu’s crimes were carried out by the state of Israel and that certainly has legal bearing inside the EU’s courts, with very recent precedent - sanctions on Russia citing the ICC arrest warrant for Putin. And Russia is not even party to the Rome Statute - the state of Israel is, and would be violating by not giving Netanyahu up.
crimes were carried out by the state
The same is true of others facing ICC charges. For example, Hamas leaders face ICC charges, but that does not justify sanctions against Palestine.
sanctions on Russia citing the ICC arrest
Sanctions against Russia couldn’t cite the ICC charges, because they began long before Putin was charged by the ICC.
the state of Israel is
Like the US and Russia, Israel is not a party to the Rome Statute.
Hamas leaders face ICC charges, but that does not justify sanctions against Palestine.
The EU does not recognize Hamas as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian Territories. It defines it as a non-state actor and a terror group, so what you said is also a terrible analogy. I don’t know why you keep using the word “justify”. Do you mean legally or morally? Sanctions would be targetted at specific individuals, firms and military/government components, not the state of Israel as such.
Sanctions against Russia couldn’t cite the ICC charges, because they began long before Putin was charged by the ICC.
Packages 11-14 were all issued after the ICC judgement. European Commission’s statements on the ICC warrant speak quite clearly about Russian culpability, not just Putin’s culpability.
