I guess they really wanted a recession so they are going to get one.
Yup, a lot of donvict’s fans were actively cheering one on during Biden’s term so that they could get power.
Ironically, they just might get a really, really bad one. But during donvict’s tenure.
People who are upset about high prices and stagnating income do have a point. People who think that prices will go down because they were lower last time Trump was president fail to understand cause and effect at a fundamental level and have me thinking some undemocratic thoughts.
They got $1200 last time, surely it will happen again
The economy is good but all the money is going to the rich. “Quick, let’s elect the rich guy who campaigned with the other really rich guy to help us get our fair share.”
Yep. Dumb as a box of rocks.
But no, no one should blame voters that “think” like this…oh no.
So that’s a way of saying the economy is bad that starts off with a lie.
The economy is working as it was rigged to do and by most measures, it’s good, but it doesn’t work for most people. Trump is not going to help that because it’s people like him (and also directly him) who rigged it to work like that.
This does a good job of pointing out how the economic models that show things are going well are outdated and inaccurate.
All the folks who claimed that statistics should be enough to convince people the economy is good should read it to see how wrong they are.
Whatever happened to the Misery Index? We need to maybe start up an American Happiness Index because international things (like the OECD better life index) are not trusted by the magabrainz and so we’ll have to stamp something highly performative of their identity politics on it…
The economy being strong was only ever a commentary on the foundation. The economy is stable and people are still struggling, which is what Biden has said.
Even that’s a terrible argument. If the economy is stable and people are still struggling then the economy isn’t working for normal people, and normal people will want it to change.
Terrible argument for what?
Avoiding a recession was a good thing. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t still problems. Sorry if you’d be happier with a job market crash or a housing market crash. But that would be even worse for people.
It’s a terrible argument to get people to vote for the incumbent party.
Yes, avoiding a recession was a good thing. Yes, a job market crash would be bad. But telling people “yes, it’s bad, but it could be worse” isn’t going to get them to the polls.
It’s a terrible position to be in to argue that you are the right person to continue making things better. You have to argue that you’ve done a good job while also acknowledging that more needs to be done.
And the economy doesn’t just change overnight. Trump inherited a strong economy and over his term lined us up for a serious recession. Biden inherited that economy and mitigated that damage. It’s like Trump was driving us straight toward a cliff, Biden swerved to avoid plummeting to our death, and now people are mad that we’ve spun out on the shoulder.
I don’t disagree with that assessment, but the voters didn’t seem to care and that’s what matters. Unless theyre able to make a compelling argument they’re going to lose and we’ll go off the cliff anyway.
“Democracy is, basically, government of the people, by the people, for the people…”
-Rajneesh Osho
Democrats need to understand that due to our complete shit education, most Americans don’t understand how a budget works much less the nuance of economic indicators.
It shouldn’t have been hard to understand that all of the median income earners did get a wage increase of did not keep up with the massive inflation cause by Trump’s botched response and price gouging and talk to it directly.
I know we made fun of VP elect couch fucker when he made that video of egg prices but again, Americans aren’t bright or observant. They just got told that eggs are four bucks a dozen, most Americans will latch on and remember that yeah, egg prices were high so that means they’re high right now, despite just having been at the store earlier in the week. Democrat should have been heavily pushing back on that, but they didn’t. The lie is now truth.
Biden has had nearly 4 years to fix this and did nothing that’s changed our material conditions. All while telling us we are not struggling.
Let’s see, not the biggest fan of Biden or Democrats but you’ve got to be a completely dense to say something like that.
Biden economy increased wages for rank and file by 17%, he’s helped get unions back up of the ground, he’s helped get a shit ton of American manufacturing jobs including getting Taiwan to build a American chip fab going, he and his admin got inflation down without a recession, he got climate change initiative going.
If you’re still bitching about egg prices, well have I got bird flu for you.
Did he do everything that progressives wanted, no and of course that is annoying. Was Harris time deaf when she answered the “I wouldn’t have done anything differently” when asked about the economy, yes. But to say nothing has changed is complete bullshit and not grounded in reality and you really need live in actual reality.
Edit: just to reemphasize, Democrats suck ass at messaging and publicly and vocally having the workers back.
Biden got inflation under control. He passed the CHIPS act. Average wages rose. Dems want to raise the minimum wage. Unions had a renaissance during Biden’s tenure.
Trump voters are lying. They voted for Trump because they are racist and misogynist and they mistakenly think he will lower their taxes.
Those that sat out the election were the real problem.
I’m angry about how bad the economy is, so I’m going to vote to make it substantially worse.
If they really cared about fixing the economy they’d be progressives.
Every bad thing their own president does to them is justice. Every bad thing he does to others is injustice.
I understand being frustrated with the government, I understand struggling, I understand feeling like no one’s working to make life less challenging. I understand doing something crazy just to force some sort of change.
However, I don’t think this election included an option to alleviate any of those things. To me, this felt like an election where the US decided on what type of country it wants to be, for their own future and to the rest of the world.
However, I don’t think this election included an option to alleviate any of those things.
Totally agree. Which is just another way Democrats fumbled the election. When people are struggling and your candidate says “I wouldn’t change anything” it’s not a good look.
The economy isn’t dictated by some natural law and the metrics that we measure it’s state are completely arbitrary.
The economy exists only to improve the lives of the people who make it. If the people (overwhelmingly) say the economy is bad, then we already have the answer and need to work backwards from that. The fact that stock market reports say otherwise doesn’t address that fact anymore than “the sky is blue” counters “I’m hungry.”
There’s a big fucking difference in my mind between voting for Trump and not voting. I know the electoral math makes those choices roughly equivalent, but in terms of personal motivations, there is a difference.
This is, to be frank, a big step in viewpoint for me. Before the election, I was all “staying home is a vote for Trump”. I was doing my best to be pragmatic. But I cannot deny that the DNC shit the bed SUPER HARD here. And thus, I cannot deny the fact that there’s a BIG difference between “I’ll vote for the party that’s gonna fuck me over more rapidly” and “I don’t want to vote for either party that’s been fucking me over for close to two decades”.
There’s not one single reason when the election went the way it did, just like there is not one demographic that made the election go the way it did.
But the argument “It wasn’t the economy. The economy is great, just look at these numbers [published by the government]!” is just politicians falling for their own rhetoric.
The US governments have been skewing official statistics for decades. I’ve lived through decades of “Oh, X is fine” when my lived experience has been quite the contrary.
I suspect that a significant source of D’s sitting this election out is similar to a lot of R’s thoughts: “You’ve ignored us for decades telling us that things are getting better, but they never do. We’re done. Burn it down.”
Maybe they don’t expect things to get better after this election, but maybe their hoping that spreading the suffering will prompt more people to demand change as well.
Just a thought.
