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      And what did you want her to tell people to march to the capitol and hang the vice president being willing to certify the election?

      Nah, Americans voted for Trump and his fascism, his racism so let them have it.

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      We can still try to obstruct via filibuster and other mechanisms. (Republicans have already shown us how to do it effectively.) But certainly no progress can be made for the next four years.

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          You’re putting far too much faith in the voters at this point.

          Depending on how the cost of living situation goes, Trump is either going to take credit for improvements set in motion before his 2024 term, or he’s going to astronomically tank it and blame it on the previous administration. No matter which happens, he will frame it to make himself look better than the Democrats while the MAGA crowd eats it up.

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            People’s feelings about the economy is the number 1 indicator of whether a party will be voted out of office.

            If Trump goes through with his insane tarrifs, inflation will skyrocket, people will be livid over the economy, and the Republicans in the Senate will be in real trouble.

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    Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.

    Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

    Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government

    In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.

    Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.

    2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

    In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

    2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.

    I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous

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      I agree, hindsight is 20/20 and if he would have just won then, this would have all been over yesterday.

      But now, we’re 75 days from being an actual dictatorship, and when we help Russia flatten Europe we’ll also be an axis power.
      Every time I think we’re in the worst possible timeline the universe says “bet” and throws us another curveball.
      I’m getting really fucking tired of living in an era that will be fascinating to read about in future history books.

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        I compared these threads to the one in 2016 announcing the win. Mostly different vibes(more awe and surprise and ‘maybe it won’t be so bad’ and less horror), but two things in common.

        1. Brexit comparisons(2016 had more, but still)
        2. People blaming a dead beloved mammal for cursing the timeline(Squirrelboy is up there with Harambe now…)
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      Also 2020 Trump was still struggling with Hispanics. The 2015 rhetoric really hurt him there. Too fucking late to put that genie back in the bottle. It’s gone man, solid gone

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      Good point. Out of many things to blame for this, I didn’t think about him losing 2020. Who would have thought back then, that him winning would be better in the long run. He would be finished and disgraced by now. We truly are living in the worst timeline.

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        Think Carter. Nixon had a populist wave born out of the DNCs 1968 disaster destroying the Kennedy lead operation dating back years, it was big. Then a huge scandal knocked the wind out of him, populist wave was down, Democrats won with a safe white guy, mission accomplished? Except the economy imploded and a ton of foreign wars happened and everyone blamed ‘histories greatest monster’ and the Republican populist wave that would have died with Nixon got a round to breathe and the Democrats took the fall for the disaster in Carters term. 8 years of Reagan followed and then 4 years of Reagan 2, Texas Boogaloo. Except Reagan was old and JD Vance isn’t.

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    Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.

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      This is the truth. Americans have forgotten the common good and looking out for each other. The boomers began the culture shift towards selfish assholism and the subsequent generations have accelerated it.

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    WHY

    Why do we have to be the bigger people and accept this bullshit? THIS ISN’T WORKING.

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    Liberals once again just giving over power to fascists. Tale as old as time.

    Not even gonna resist? Really?

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    Happily voted Harris, to defeat the christian fascists. But I think her concession confirms that she was never going to be the fighter we needed.

    First, Democrat’s gamble on pushing aside the progressive core (thanks to incorrect reading of Biden popularity and protests over Israel’s genocide) in favor of a coalition of former Republicans and mythical “decent conservatives” was a huge red flag. It has now proved absolutely catastrophic.

    Second, “the high road” has rarely extracted more than the absolute minimum at the slowest possible pace. This election proved it has failed us. Peace is not an option anymore. Unfortunately, we’re going to need to fight ruthlessly for every inch. Entrenched billionaire oligarchs, funding literally insane religious extremists and domestic terrorists. They will gleefully turn up the heat on our formerly cold civil war with their brutality over the next few years.

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    It aint even about moral high road, shes just ready to take the money and run.

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    Of course she made a concession speech. Because Democrats are constitutionally unable to accept the reality we voted into power 2016.

    The party deserves extinction.

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    “when we lose an election, we accept the results”

    Will, that’s a lie. Remember 4 years of Russia-gate, everyone.

    EDIT My point was the Left blamed Trump for it and/or he anything to do with it. But he didn’t.

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      Except that Russia did and has continued funding disinformation to sow division and hatred among Americans.

      You can look up Tenet Media and how they filtered Russian money down to major right wing political commentators.

      There’s nothing fake about that.

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      Do you believe Russia has interfered in any election?

      Just trying to figure out what reality we’re in before going further.

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      Except it is a known fact that Russia did, in fact, interfere. Pretending they didn’t doesn’t change that.