• Moneo@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    I’m not American and you didn’t answer my question.

    If pro-palestinian one issue voters lost Kamala the election, why didn’t she appease them? Why are the voters to blame and not the democrats?

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      14 days ago

      That’s an excellent question. The Harris campaign decided to not let Palestinians speak at the DNC. The Uncommitted movement offered to endorse her but the staff refused to let any Palestinian Americans do so on camera, even with pre-vetted remarks. It’s mystifying and one of the major blunders of the Harris campaign.

      Harris seemed hyper focused on avoiding any criticism by Trump or Republicans. Hence she wouldn’t meet with Palestinian-Americans and avoided all the Muslim voters in Pennsylvania who were trying to meet with her. She was working so hard to get Republicans to flip and support her, which is why she did a rally with Liz Cheney and talked about how much she’d help Israel, and decided the Arab-American and Muslim-American votes were expendable if it meant getting more Republicans.

      Hillary tried the same strategy in 2016, and it failed badly. Throwing one of the most loyal democratic voting blocs under the bus to get Republicans to flip for them, has been a strategy of 2 of the last 3 elections (Biden promised to undo the Muslim ban but nothing else, so I don’t know if that counts) and they keep repeating this playbook with the same results. I fear that in 2028 they won’t even try to get our votes again and will try to cozy up to Trump’s Muslim ban in hopes that Republicans flip to democrat once again.

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      14 days ago

      Because they shouldn’t have beeded to be convinced. Trump was obviously the worse choice for Palestine. The most basic realpolitik shouldve told them to hold their nose. They are to blame for putting their ideals over the lives of everyone around them and even those they want to save.

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        14 days ago

        Ok you go say that to their faces. Tell them they should suck it up and vote for an administration that is funding a genocide against their people. Tell them they’re being “idealistic” when they speak out against a genocide.

        Liberals are amazing.

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            13 days ago

            ok tough guy. Let me know when you’ve told a Palestinian that they are stupid for not voting democrat because Trump is going to murder their family even harder than Biden.

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          10 days ago

          Not half as “amazing” as protest voters that think not doing anything will result in a change for the better.

          We voted. We tried to stop this. If you didn’t- then you have no place casting aspersions at those that did.

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            9 days ago

            For lots of these people it can’t get any worse. Gaza is being absolutely devastated, what do they have to lose? I’m not trying to argue that not voting democrat is a good idea, but I don’t think you are engaging with the situation these people are dealing with. It’s easy to argue from the sidelines that Trump is worse for Palestine, but I can’t imagine having to actually vote for an administration that is actively committing genocide on my home land.

            Democrats got absolutely fucking destroyed in the election. I beg you to reflect on the strategies used by democrats and liberals. Have some compassion and try to understand the motivations of voters instead of blaming them for the failures of the democratic party.

            You cannot win the support of people by shaming them, it simply doesn’t work. Please stop doing it.

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              9 days ago

              No. They deserve to feel shame. This is every bit and exponentially more- their fault as they try to say it is the DNC’s. The blame lies everywhere but at the feet of those who voted to deep trump out.

              Now they get to be victims of their own decision.

              And trust me when I say this- it will get MUCH worse. Israel hasn’t occupied Gaza yet. But you can bet your ass they’re going to now.