It’s not the voter’s fault. Candidates should earn votes not expect them. The Dems chose a shit candidate and lost as a result. They’ll learn nothing from this and probably move further right.
It abso-fucking-lutely is the voters fault as well as the party’s. They knew the options and chose the worst possible one. Get the fuck out of here with that whitewashing bullshit. Even when you have a shit choice, you’re still making the choice, and it’s on you too.
They’ll learn nothing from this
That goes for the voters just as much. Next time we’re staring down a fascist and a shitty dem, we’ll pick the fascist because the Dems has to have a spotless record or we’ll piss away any progress we have in a temper tantrum.
It is the candidate’s job to entice voters. Kamala and the dnc failed. There should be a purge of leadership but they’ll probably just do it all again in 2028. The lesser-Evil argument has never been a good one. Vote shaming has never been a successful tactic either but please feel free to continue lol
Whatever helps you sleep at night with the choices you made friend.
I’m not here to shame anyone. You knew what was at stake when you pulled the lever, I hope you’re happy with the outcome. I’m just not going to let people abdicate the responsibility they’re trying to shirk for the choices they made.
But you’ll be happy to note that I won’t be interacting with you again, because I’ve got no time for cowards who shift blame for consequences of decisions they’ve made.
My Dem representative expressed disappointment at the result this morning and then IMMEDIATELY pivoted to reaching across the aisle and working with the Republicans and trump administration to pass bipartisan legislation to help ALL Americans.
I was looking at those numbers too. And if you compare Trump’s 24 numbers to 2020, he lost about 4M votes this time. So it’s not like the 20M from Biden voted for Trump this time, they just didn’t vote.
20 million people are going to be the reason for the death of Democracy.
Great job electing the person to office who’se the best bet for ensuring it goes from attempted genocide to complete extermination. Pat your back for upholding your morales.
Dude. I actually voted for Kamala. But for God sake just use some empathy for middle eastern community. If I was in their shoes I’d either not vote at all or voted third party. It was a stupid stupid move to put out the message “oh yes we supported the genocide, but look at the other good things we are doing.” Honestly that would piss me off even more.
Vote for the imperfect candidate who has at least been pushing peace deals and not leaving options off the table to achieve that.
Vote for the candidate who has promised unfaltering support for the aggressor and already proven time and time again they don’t care if non-white people die.
Vote third party, or don’t vote at all, ensuring candidate 2’s unthinking base would go uncontested and lead to outcome #2 anyways.
There is no fourth option, and there is no option aside from #1 that had a chance of success in terms of ending the genocide and seeing to the needs of the survivors.
So if there is anyone who really did choose not to vote because the current administration’s policy on Palestine/Gaza and treatment of those people, congratulations on going from anger at someone standing by and not stopping a genocide to 100% ensuring the next person will enable it to completion.
So again, congratulations on that morale victory, hope they don’t pat themselves too hard on the back while standing next to the bodies.
No empathy on your side. Clearly you haven’t been in their position. It’s like asking Jews in Nazi Germany to vote for Hitler because the other candidate is somehow worse. Except Hitler already proved himself bad for them and burned their family. They might not vote for the other candidate, but why would the support Hitler?
I have empathy for them, I have to ask if they have empathy at all. Trump issued a Muslim ban by executive action to get around congress, targetting middle east and african states, then he moved the US embassy in Israel without reciprocating such action for Palestine.
The choices you’re saying were made and logic behind them do not add up. This isn’t telling Jewish people to support Hitler. This is telling them to vote against Hitler for their sake and others, only for them to not show up to the polls and expect to hide out. Let me check my history books to see how that turned out…
There IS logic behind not showing up. The choice is impossible. Hitler vs worse Hitler. This is not something you logic through. If the game is rigged, then you don’t play. That’s how it is.
Also regarding Muslim ban: not the same thing as aiding the genocide. Can’t believe I even have to say it. On the other hand obviously Trump is bad so I call him worse Hitler. I don’t know how you didn’t catch that.
Yeah that’s right. That’s why people used to vote for Dems. Up until this time when they proved their lack of action. How would you feel if your relatives were dying in middle East and you are the one voting in government that supports it.
If you play for the side of light and goodness, the you have to be consistent. No tiny genocides are allowed. Clearly that’s not a problem for the side of darkness.
It’s a black woman, sadly for some that makes it even worse.
Also watching from Europe it seemed very strange to see that biden was still first in line until it was obvious for everybody he’s not fit for the job cognitively.
And maybe that wasn’t even the main problem. He just couldn’t perform anymore and failed to present himself accordingly.
Harris felt a little like an emergency choice but it was refreshing to see someone not clearly in decline due to old age.
I would have voted for her because she’s not trump, not because I think she would have been a great president.
I just don’t understand how it’s possible that such old fucks are the candidates and I struggle to believe that they are capable of complex decisions.
Who fucking guides them and tells them what to do and why do I have a tinfoil hat on?
sigh, had a contractor today tell me he’s happy trump won because a woman would appear weak from the outside and we’d get attacked, he just hopes he doesn’t do ‘‘something stupid’’. Idk man. I feel helpless around these people, there’s nothing I can say to them that will change their world view.
No I don’t think it is because “woman” but rather “obvious awkward disingenous hello there!fellow kids!” Reasons why McCain wasn’t nominee Kerry failed and many other reasons. Bernie would have won. Just sayin’. But too late now innit. It’s not old guy or woman. It’s how the dems campaign with zero and negative conviction benefits or reasons for voters to go vote. Not copium but sad reality. Most people live paycheck to paycheck. If your policies don’t align then they won’t risk their life for you.
And climate change doesn’t reduce the grocery bills or stop inflation. Just sayin’
It’s climate change increasing pressures in hundreds of domains, making people fearful and easy to manipulate. It’s happening the world over. Blaming candidates for not showing enough conviction is just another kind of copium.
And in fact, wanting candidates to show conviction could be seen as problematic element, as conviction is really not what we need right now in regards to getting elected. Anyone thinking even remotely rationally about the world their children will live in ought to figure that out for themselves.
The big problem is though that vast voting blocks including their candidates are:
a) the ones who fucked it up in the first place.
b) too old to care how much things go to shit after them.
Is it because woman? Like holy shit, Biden was an old fuck and still won last time. Hillary didn’t win. Wtf, is it really because woman!?
I know they’re not done counting everything yet, but as it currently stands…
2020 Biden - 81.3m
2024 Harris - 66.2m
I’m disgusted with our country.
I’ve said for years that voter apathy would be the death of this country.
I hate that I was right.
It’s not the voter’s fault. Candidates should earn votes not expect them. The Dems chose a shit candidate and lost as a result. They’ll learn nothing from this and probably move further right.
It abso-fucking-lutely is the voters fault as well as the party’s. They knew the options and chose the worst possible one. Get the fuck out of here with that whitewashing bullshit. Even when you have a shit choice, you’re still making the choice, and it’s on you too.
That goes for the voters just as much. Next time we’re staring down a fascist and a shitty dem, we’ll pick the fascist because the Dems has to have a spotless record or we’ll piss away any progress we have in a temper tantrum.
I fucking hate my fellow Americans.
It is the candidate’s job to entice voters. Kamala and the dnc failed. There should be a purge of leadership but they’ll probably just do it all again in 2028. The lesser-Evil argument has never been a good one. Vote shaming has never been a successful tactic either but please feel free to continue lol
Whatever helps you sleep at night with the choices you made friend.
I’m not here to shame anyone. You knew what was at stake when you pulled the lever, I hope you’re happy with the outcome. I’m just not going to let people abdicate the responsibility they’re trying to shirk for the choices they made.
But you’ll be happy to note that I won’t be interacting with you again, because I’ve got no time for cowards who shift blame for consequences of decisions they’ve made.
My Dem representative expressed disappointment at the result this morning and then IMMEDIATELY pivoted to reaching across the aisle and working with the Republicans and trump administration to pass bipartisan legislation to help ALL Americans.
FUCKING LEARNING DISABLED
I was looking at those numbers too. And if you compare Trump’s 24 numbers to 2020, he lost about 4M votes this time. So it’s not like the 20M from Biden voted for Trump this time, they just didn’t vote.
20 million people are going to be the reason for the death of Democracy.
Assholes.
She got beat by a 10 year old vision that didn’t manifest the first time he won. The worst candidate in history.
She faced no challenges or adversity during a primary because there wasn’t one and therefore had no duty to voters.
Be disgusted by the people who told you SHE was the best choice to beat Trump, because she wasn’t. Not by a long shot.
she was anointed like Hilary Clinton. Voters dont like that.
Additionally, she and the democratic party didn’t tackle or communicate economics, which is always issue #1 no matter what.
Remember what an echo chamber this place is, even bringing that up slightly would get you ratiod or removed by a mod…
Imagine >80 million fascists in a single country like the US. Ouff.
Something something should not have supported the genocide and all. It’s costing us
Great job electing the person to office who’se the best bet for ensuring it goes from attempted genocide to complete extermination. Pat your back for upholding your morales.
Dude. I actually voted for Kamala. But for God sake just use some empathy for middle eastern community. If I was in their shoes I’d either not vote at all or voted third party. It was a stupid stupid move to put out the message “oh yes we supported the genocide, but look at the other good things we are doing.” Honestly that would piss me off even more.
They had three options.
Vote for the imperfect candidate who has at least been pushing peace deals and not leaving options off the table to achieve that.
Vote for the candidate who has promised unfaltering support for the aggressor and already proven time and time again they don’t care if non-white people die.
Vote third party, or don’t vote at all, ensuring candidate 2’s unthinking base would go uncontested and lead to outcome #2 anyways.
There is no fourth option, and there is no option aside from #1 that had a chance of success in terms of ending the genocide and seeing to the needs of the survivors.
So if there is anyone who really did choose not to vote because the current administration’s policy on Palestine/Gaza and treatment of those people, congratulations on going from anger at someone standing by and not stopping a genocide to 100% ensuring the next person will enable it to completion.
So again, congratulations on that morale victory, hope they don’t pat themselves too hard on the back while standing next to the bodies.
No empathy on your side. Clearly you haven’t been in their position. It’s like asking Jews in Nazi Germany to vote for Hitler because the other candidate is somehow worse. Except Hitler already proved himself bad for them and burned their family. They might not vote for the other candidate, but why would the support Hitler?
I have empathy for them, I have to ask if they have empathy at all. Trump issued a Muslim ban by executive action to get around congress, targetting middle east and african states, then he moved the US embassy in Israel without reciprocating such action for Palestine.
The choices you’re saying were made and logic behind them do not add up. This isn’t telling Jewish people to support Hitler. This is telling them to vote against Hitler for their sake and others, only for them to not show up to the polls and expect to hide out. Let me check my history books to see how that turned out…
There IS logic behind not showing up. The choice is impossible. Hitler vs worse Hitler. This is not something you logic through. If the game is rigged, then you don’t play. That’s how it is.
Also regarding Muslim ban: not the same thing as aiding the genocide. Can’t believe I even have to say it. On the other hand obviously Trump is bad so I call him worse Hitler. I don’t know how you didn’t catch that.
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Yeah that’s right. That’s why people used to vote for Dems. Up until this time when they proved their lack of action. How would you feel if your relatives were dying in middle East and you are the one voting in government that supports it.
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If you play for the side of light and goodness, the you have to be consistent. No tiny genocides are allowed. Clearly that’s not a problem for the side of darkness.
Either way middle easterns lose, so why play?
It’s a black woman, sadly for some that makes it even worse.
Also watching from Europe it seemed very strange to see that biden was still first in line until it was obvious for everybody he’s not fit for the job cognitively. And maybe that wasn’t even the main problem. He just couldn’t perform anymore and failed to present himself accordingly.
Harris felt a little like an emergency choice but it was refreshing to see someone not clearly in decline due to old age.
I would have voted for her because she’s not trump, not because I think she would have been a great president.
I just don’t understand how it’s possible that such old fucks are the candidates and I struggle to believe that they are capable of complex decisions.
Who fucking guides them and tells them what to do and why do I have a tinfoil hat on?
sigh, had a contractor today tell me he’s happy trump won because a woman would appear weak from the outside and we’d get attacked, he just hopes he doesn’t do ‘‘something stupid’’. Idk man. I feel helpless around these people, there’s nothing I can say to them that will change their world view.
Money talks and big donors fund both campaigns to ensure minimal change if not straight up keep the status quo.
Yep. Trump has never beaten a man in an election.
Tammy Baldwin is looking set to win Wisconsin, and Elissa Slotkin is ahead by a hair in Michigan, so no, that narrative is dead in the water.
No I don’t think it is because “woman” but rather “obvious awkward disingenous hello there!fellow kids!” Reasons why McCain wasn’t nominee Kerry failed and many other reasons. Bernie would have won. Just sayin’. But too late now innit. It’s not old guy or woman. It’s how the dems campaign with zero and negative
convictionbenefits or reasons for voters to go vote. Not copium but sad reality. Most people live paycheck to paycheck. If your policies don’t align then they won’t risk their life for you.And climate change doesn’t reduce the grocery bills or stop inflation. Just sayin’
It’s climate change increasing pressures in hundreds of domains, making people fearful and easy to manipulate. It’s happening the world over. Blaming candidates for not showing enough conviction is just another kind of copium.
And in fact, wanting candidates to show conviction could be seen as problematic element, as conviction is really not what we need right now in regards to getting elected. Anyone thinking even remotely rationally about the world their children will live in ought to figure that out for themselves.
The big problem is though that vast voting blocks including their candidates are:
a) the ones who fucked it up in the first place. b) too old to care how much things go to shit after them.