cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/21289050
An inconvenient truth for Jill Stein, the Green Party protest candidate for president, is that there are only two candidates who can win the presidency on Nov. 5, and she isn’t one of them.
The other inconvenient truth for her and her avowed progressive supporters is that every protest vote from the left against Vice President Kamala Harris is a vote for former President Donald Trump.
Most of the people pushing this “Don’t vote” or “Voting for evil is still evil” bs, are foreign interests or people who aren’t registered to vote anyways.
If you really care, Vote for Kamala, and THEN protest after she wins. At least if she wins you’ll still be ABLE to protest.
Lumping the Don’t Vote folks to foreign interests or non registered is super reductive and isn’t how you (we) win votes. Disenfranchisement is systemic and part of the design of the system with which we vote in. Win them back by bringing their material needs and concerns into policy discussion. That’s what many organizers are doing, thanklessly, but it is more difficult each cycle when nothing substantive changes for those peoples.
Look, if you don’t vote because you genuinely can’t see a difference between Trump “rapist, multiple felonies, ‘dictator on day one’, ‘I wish I had generals like Hitler’” and Harris “I don’t like all of her policies”, then you are a danger to yourself and others.
Normally in an election there is nuance. Not this time. Are you going to actively vote against the fascist, or not? That’s all there is to it.
i agree with that framing for sure. But normally there is nuance? I have been voting for a long time and they have always been framed as life or death. There is no room for nuance in American politics, never has been. It’s by design.
Yes, reductionism is how you broadly talk about a topic that spans multiple things. That’s how that works. We don’t have time to go into the complexities. The outcome of both is roughly the same. why or who or what doesn’t largely matter.
I’m not here to make friends with these people, I’m here to counter their argument and make sure their harmful viewpoint doesn’t infect others.
There is no winning them back. They are here literally to spread chaos and disrupt other voters. They aren’t registered to vote anyways, and aren’t going to vote anyways. There’s no point in spending all that time and effort on an already lost-cause.
This is such a depressing losing perspective. So the material concerns of billionaires is all that matters. They get their complexities heard and sorted into the choice of two candidates.
Yeah, nobody said that at all, but glad to see you took the mask off.
In a first past the post voting system…yes. Sorry. The world isn’t perfect. Vote first. THEN protest.
Thanks for reducing me too bud. Mask off. JFC, you can’t handle a little debate without resorting to conspiratorial name calling. Bye.
This isn’t a debate. This is a public service announcement.
Neoliberal fascism has no room for debates, let alone critical thinking.
I’m a Bernie guy, but you’ve gotta be pragmatic when the literal alternative is the end of America as a democracy.
We can go back to debating when our nation isn’t at stake.