• danc4498@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    It’s hilarious that the entire point was to draw focus on how Biden fucked up the withdrawal from Afghanistan (while following Trump & literal Taliban combined plan), but all anybody is talking about now is how disrespectful Trump & company is. His purpose for doing this is entirely lost now.

    Edit: taliban not isis

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      Donald Trump is not a smart man. He didn’t become the threat that he is due to his own skilful manoeuvring. He became a threat because the institutions that are supposed to oppose people like him have failed.

      Now that, for the first time in his political career, he’s up against an opponent with basic competence he can’t do anything other than flail impotently.

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        I didn’t care for her, but Clinton I would say had more than basic competence, though she didn’t really have much charisma, is pretty unlikable, forced out Bernie Sanders, chose a completely forgettable running mate, was running as an establishment candidate in a “change” election, and has a blatant desire for power. It all worked against her, though she did still win the popular vote. Still fairly competent though.

        I would argue Harris is in a similar situation as Clinton, though she apparently had the sense to at least pick someone more likable than herself and her almost invisible tenure as VP actually may work to her advantage. Otherwise, she’s not incredibly charismatic on her own and could be in trouble at the debate with Trump, though his elderly, stroke-addled brain may help her out.

        But if it gets into the same sort of thing like in his debate with Biden, where Trump is just throwing out BS bombs left and right, and all Kamala does is just uselessly flail around trying to address his BS points one by one, I think she’ll be in trouble. She needs to cut through the BS and present herself as the adult in the room, and make Trump seem infantile and ridiculous.

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          All agreed. The Clinton’s are political animals, best of the best at the game, but Hilary doesn’t share her husband’s over-the-top charisma. She works best behind the scenes, not on camera kissing babies.

          And this hilarious meme hit far too close to home.

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            Literally been screaming this since her time as SoS… Hill-Dawg should have run in NY’s bluest blueberry of a US House district and then taken the reigns from Pelosi in 2022. She’s masterful at running the inner party show… she got that “do it or I’ll burn your house down” energy so few people have (liken to LBJ, Pelosi, Cave Johnson, etc).

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          Clinton’s fatal flaw was picking about the worst campaign manager of all time, who did things like relying almost exclusively on software based calculations and stopped polling voters in early September.

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        It is crazy to expect the Afghanistan military to fight when the US president negotiated handover of Afghanistan with the Taliban

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          I mean the afghan military was only marginally less awful than the Taliban, sometimes significantly worse, and they weren’t exclusive evils to the afghan people. Turns out giving money and arms to the worst psychopaths you can find to fight the other group of psychopaths you gave money and arms to doesn’t have a good outcome.

          To quote an afghan before the withdrawal: We have three problems, Kabul, the Taliban, and the Americans. When the Americans leave, we will have two problems.

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            The us involvement in Afghanistan was truly one of the biggest blunders in a century and it didn’t have to be. It wasn’t just one president but a 20 year failure in state building, that had been run with profit in mind. The us used to be able to do this in Japan and Korea(only the South though). I believe it was the corruption and the contractors that set up such a terrible state.

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              Given the massacres and decades of terror under the dictatorship that were required to create modern South Korea, I wouldn’t hold it up as a success.