It still blows my mind that some people cannot comprehend that not everything needs an exchange of currency in some way shape or form.
“They don’t do anything in return?” “They don’t get worse!” “But who compensates the people who help them?” “We do.” “But then who compensates us?”
They key is they did it nationwide. If one area in the US tries to do this, other areas will ship them their homeless.
This a huge thing to overcome. Our structure is made for these sorts of decisions and assistance to be locally organized, funded and regulated. Changing that to a federal level is an undertaking and a half. Even if it was to pass. Which it wouldn’t because of all of the above.
I really don’t think anyone can get physically healthier (I think that’s a big point) when they are sleeping in the cold and don’t have good nutrition. (Multivitamins ftw.)
multivitamins have been proven to be useless.
Thought it was just that they were useless for most healthy adults with any diet short of nutritional deficiency.
yes, that’s what we should be advocating for unhoused people, not wasting money on multivitamins. If we’re already talking about giving them an apartment and counseling, I don’t think a reasonable meal plan is much more to ask for. Especially if our aim is to get them back into a healthy lifestyle, healthy food should absolutely be part of that plan.
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did you have an actual point? just citing random studies via google means nothing.
I was highlighting the fact that there’s evidence for both answers
there really isn’t though.
In conclusion, multivitamins were found to enhance immediate free recall memory but no other cognitive domains.
Neuhouser et al (14) recently provided an excellent summary of observational and clinical trial data on dietary supplements in relation to cancer. For MVM supplements, case-control studies of cancer at various sites (eg, colon, esophagus, stomach, oropharynx, breast, cervix, bladder, prostate, and skin) suggested that benefits may exceed risks. Corresponding cohort study results, however, were mostly consistent with no association
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523279101
Conclusion In this large prevention trial of male physicians, daily multivitamin supplementation modestly but significantly reduced the risk of total cancer.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/1380451
yes you can cherry pick studies to prove just about anything you want. you can find “scientific” studies that prove climate change is bogus too. there’s a lot of crap science out there. look at meta-analyses and recommendations from trusted institutions like Johns Hopkins as I linked above which you clearly didn’t read.
The “4 out of 5” figure roughly matches what I recall being told by a head of Catholic Charities maybe a decade ago. You certainly have some percentage of people who’ve been given everything they need to be comfortable, and when you leave them alone and come back to check on them, they simply have not been able to look after themselves. But for the vast majority, it does work. People are in a safe space where they can look for work, have an address to put down on applications, and all that.
Quite affordable too; ambulance rides and jail visits aren’t cheap.
Ok, but how can Finland afford the nesting-doll yachts if they are giving out money that should have gone into billionaires’ hoards?
I can imagine nothing more miserable than having a day out on a massive expensive yacht… on the Baltic Sea.
(Regular rich people might have some fun on the ferries, but billionaires probably don’t, because this involves buying a ticket and sharing the ship with the rabble.)
One day, I wish I had a shitty old fishing boat and go slowly puttering through the rain and gloom. Living the real life.
In the US the cruelty is the point. We will never end homelessness here because its an intended feature of our economic system. It’s a constant threat to workers. Coercing them into accepting low wages and long hours in the name of stability.
It should be treated as a union issue.
“You don’t get to have the leverage of excommunication and death over our workers”
Just execute the homeless, grind them into feed for the poor and the problem solves itself.
Holy shit, it’s not that hard.
Dishwashers are an accessibility item, too. Housing should be required to have them, just like places require wheelchair ramps.
And if we have to pick in-unit laundry should be top priority. You can do a lot with a sink and a hot plate but ain’t nobody should be washing clothes by hand and having to keep an eye on your clothes, especially for unhoused people who are probably a little justified in being worried about leaving their stuff unattended, takes some energy people may not have.
Yeah here in Finland that is basically achieved by having a laundry-room in apartment buildings that you can reserve. In some of the places I lived, it did cost though, so more of a laundromat in the cellar of your building. But usually free in the buildings that have a lot of government supported people.
Also Finnish, and where I live it’s not only free to do as much laundry as you want up to three hours/day down in the basement but everyone in the house helps to keep the washers and dryers clean and functional as well as regularly clean the common areas together. As a 38 year old man it’s quite funny to hang around and clean with a bunch of older ladies, lol.
…and ofc that sweet unlimited internet for free is nice as well.
Absolutely. I’m currently living in a shelter, and we have 3 washers and dryers, 1 of each has been busted for at least a week. The door locks, and only staff has the code. Sharing a laundry situation has barely any pros, and mostly cons.
Why does it even need to be a transaction? We help each other because it’s the right thing to do. It doesn’t need to result in anything other than gratitude and happiness.
Nooooo that money is supposed to go to hard working shareholders like nature intended!!
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Borsch he is silen
I’d like to point out that “mental health counseling without any preconditions” is definitely bullshit. For free? Sure. Without preconditions? Nah.
Housing though? Available for everyone, sure, and compared to most other countries, the system is good. But it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have flaws in it and that we couldn’t improve.
I’m just here to point out people put Finland on a pedestal.
You shouldn’t. It’s not terrible in most ways, and pretty good in a lot of ways. But don’t idolise. Realism. It’s just different, so different problems as well.
Kela (National Pension Institution) urges thousands to seek cheaper housing.
And these people are already living on the housing which is the cheapest available. It’s basically just a convoluted excuse from the government for austerity to social security. Since none of the social security or the like are being reduced, they’ve just “indexed the calculation for reasonable living costs” or some shit, send out these letters, which people will reply to with “wtf do you think I can do, because moving would cost and there’s literally no cheaper housing available” and then Kela will go “oh well guess then you’re voluntarily taking a cut in your social security (so definitely don’t blame the government, blame the markets or whatever)?”. And that’s the point of it.
