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If someone’s political stance is something like, “We should move to a VAT tax system like the U.K.”, I will be happy to entertain conversation with them. If their stance is something like, “We should ban trans people.” then they can fuck all the way off.
What if their political option is money good, no money not good? And that’s it.
Anyone who says that always has ‘legalize kitten torture’ beliefs
This is because politics isn’t identity, or at least it fuckin’ shouldn’t be. A person can change their political stances if they decide to. I’d go so far as to say that’s the point of judging people on the basis of their politics; the hope that it might get them to think about the consequences of their stances just a little bit.
That’s true. But when I encounter someone who ignores all rational arguments and instead continually clings to racist nonsense and the like, I can’t help but judge this person as a racist with whom I want nothing to do with. Politics thrives on discussion and the exchange of arguments. In my eyes, anyone who doesn’t want to see that has no right to be taken seriously.
Once upon a time, there were liberals and conservatives whose most significant differences were things like how much of the national budget we should allocate to defence. We’ve become much more polarized, and now we have a party that openly supports racism, has literally staged a failed coup, has aligned with fascist dictators, and wants to strip the rights from many of our friends and family. Yeah, judging them is the right thing to do.
Fair points all around.
“the left is so intolerant”
-guy standing in a group of Neo Nazis
Margaret Killjoy was recently talking on one podcast about mutual aid during the recent hurricanes. She was talking about how her neighbors probably have starkly opposite views as she does as a trans anarchist, but she believed that in a situation like this where it could mean life or death, that they would be able to set differences aside and work together for their mutual benefit.
She also went on to say that she didn’t hate them and wish them any harm, she just wished that they would stop holding on to hateful and hurtful beliefs.
Most of my family and my girlfriend’s families support just about all of this MAGA crap, but I don’t know if I could call a single one of them a bad person. Some of them treat me differently in what I feel are very obvious ways, but I didn’t believe any of them would let me suffer on purpose. They all seem to not have problems sympathizing with people or situations they are personally familiar with, but with concepts that they are unfamiliar with, they can find them unimportant, and develop bad takes on those things.
As my family is almost all conservative, I was raised that way, and until my later 20s, I had a lot of the same beliefs. As I met more people, learned more things, and developed opinions of my own, I am now mostly the opposite person I was. I can see how wrong I was about just about everything.
I feel it’s ok to hate the beliefs, and dissociate with people while they hold those beliefs, and especially while they act on those beliefs, which includes giving power to those pushing those values on others. I don’t think we should turn our backs totally to them as people though, if that makes sense. If they were hurt, I would still help them. If they needed something, I would help them to get it. If they want me to meet them somewhere in the middle ideologically, most likely not. But it’s part of my humanity to not leave someone to suffer just because they’ve got some dumbass beliefs.
You have every right to associate or not with whomever you wish. You can believe the opposite of people and think they are wrong for what they believe. But I think most people are inherently good. Some make it much harder to keep that belief, but I don’t think many are lost causes or irredeemable.
I didn’t read all that, just got stuck on Margaret Killjoy. I’m very curious about what lead to her forefather getting that last name.
From an old AMA
It’s not the name I was born with, but it’s the name I live under and have for about a decade. I originally changed my name to Magpie maybe fifteen years ago, because I was part of a forest defense community where everyone took funny names. Then eventually I met people who had grown up being called Magpie because it was short for Margaret. I wanted a more feminine name, so I adopted Margaret.
Killjoy came about because I needed a last name for writing, and I had a bit of a reputation for, well, being a killjoy.
Oh, should’ve guessed it’s a chosen name
You know the old saying: “Don’t judge a book by its contents.”
I find a cover a quite reasonable thing to judge a book on, especially when I’m going to thwack someone with it later
No one has ever said “oh so you’re just gonna judge someone for their political beliefs?” in real life, please get off the internet.
TIL: My wife is fictional.
I guess that makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
When violence is being threatened against certain political parties, that would seem like a heck of a lot of judgement going on
