• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    Our long-term goal should be to continue to build up grassroots movements for the working class; this won’t happen in a day.

    Cool, now which is easier to build movements under, a fascist regime, or a moderate milquetoast capitalist regime?

    Will throwing your vote away in protest of ‘the duopoly’ do anything, in this election, to change that or meaningfully contribute to a grassroots movement for the working class?

    We have a thousand tools at our disposal. Voting is one - an important one. Tools should not be misused, but each one used in its own unique way to maximize its effect on your goals.

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      We are currently in a fascist regime; both parties are heavily lobbied by corporations that dictate policy.

      People continue to struggle more and more under both parties, while they play political theater to continue to divide us.

      Voting outside the two-party system will help establish that people do have standards when voting.

      Voting is one - an important one.

      Yes, and a good percentage of the populace decides to stay in and not reward the duopoly with their vote.

      • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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        The problem with this take is that you cannot conversely punish the duopoly by withholding your vote, regardless of whether or not you think they “earned” it. Even if you don’t vote, one of them still gets in. The problem is, the people who are going to vote for the significantly worse of the two options are very motivated to vote, and they will do so.

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          The Lord won’t help us on this one; we need to be the ones to fight for what we demand.

          The civil rights movements happened because people were fed up with the status quo.

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            How is giving your vote to whoever becomes the largest by not voting winning anything? You can do all the other things you mentioned and still make a conscious choice to do the least harm by not voting a demagogue in. It’s just one of the many steps you can take as a person wishing to influence the world around you.

            Just like eating no meat or less meat. Will it fix everything wrong with farming? No. Does that mean you should just start buying more meat and not eat it, letting it rot in your fridge instead? Also no! No one cares if you did that and it accomplishes nothing except make the problem much worse, which is exactly what not voting gets you.

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        We are currently in a fascist regime; both parties are heavily lobbied by corporations that dictate policy.

        That’s not fascism.

        People continue to struggle more and more under both parties, while they play political theater to continue to divide us.

        100% people need to engage more. And in national elections quit voting for 3rd parties. Showing solidarity with and not dividing themselves from the rest of the left. Till our voting system is reformed and 3rd party presidential candidates are no longer a mathematical impossibility. With the only message being sent, that you’re safe to ignore.

        Voting outside the two-party system will help establish that people do have standards when voting.

        That’s literally the exact opposite of what it does.

        Yes, and a good percentage of the populace decides to stay in and not reward the duopoly with their vote.

        Then they get the lack of change they’ve committed to.