Final (?) Debate thread before the election in 35 days.
Debate begins at 9 PM Eastern, 6 PM Pacific and runs 90 minutes.
Vice Presidential debates are always tricky since nobody has voted for Vice President in living memory.
Expect Vance to attack Walz on his military service.
Expect Walz to attack Vance on the whole “immigrants eating cats and dogs” thing.
Expect Vance to attack Walz on being an assistant coach, at best.
Expect Walz to roll out “Weird!” at least once.
CBS has announced the burden of fact checking will be on the candidates themselves.
https://apnews.com/article/cbs-debate-vice-president-fact-check-7a3b31c98ab092dd44915df57a359d10
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Edit Impressive how a debate can go when one participant doesn’t have mental health issues! Thanks for coming everybody!
Walz: “Well I don’t run Facebook and Trump lost.”
“Did he lose the 2020 election?”
“OH YEAH?!?! Well did Kamala Harris censor people?”
The “meta” debate is incredible here.
This literally happened right after JD Vance promised to shake hands after the election. It proves JD Vance is a fucking snake who shouldn’t be trusted.
Its a self-own of colossal magnitude. I fear the full effects of which are lost upon too many as it happened in the last minutes of the debate, so too many Americans had mentally tuned out by then.
“Under Kamala Harris’ leadership.”
I wish Walz would say that JOE BIDEN IS THE FUCKING PRESIDENT.
Yeah, I wish he would just say “one of us is soon going to find out firsthand just how little the Veep can get done unilaterally.”
It’s like every single response, and he just ignored it each time. Vance literally said “her policies”.
I counted at least twenty references to the “Harris administration,” or “Harris’ immigration policies,” and one full-on “the Harris/Biden administration.”
He gave an answer where he named Kamala then immediately started talking about executive orders. I can’t tell if it’s more infuriating that they’re actually trying to pretend she’s been president, or that their voters are so mind blowingly stupid they actually will fall for it
It was weird, because Walz had no problem saying he had nothing to do with tech companies censoring people.
“Should we force catholic hospitals to do abortions?”
No. Because there shouldn’t be catholic hospitals.
It’s crazy how… like. Normal? This debate is. I mean they obviously disagree on stuff, but there’s at least a baseline of respect here so far.
Its like Trump is the problem lol.
Oh definitely, I just kind of forgot how debates can be when his dumbass isn’t in the room.
Vance is just as morally corrupt and full of lies but has a better facade.
Yeah, it was a very respectable debate, which is a nice change of pace. It gives me hope of eventual political “normalization” or Vance is very good at being an absolute snake.
“She hasn’t accomplished what she set out to do in three years” is kind of weird for the running mate of the guy who accomplished fuck all in terms of his campaign promises for four.
Listening to these idiotic “uncommitted voters” in the focus group are the absolute worse. It’s a collection of people that love the attention of being an indecisive moron.
Attacking Walz on his military record while Vance had a mostly clerical job, never saw combat, was of a lower rank and was in the military for 4 years compared to 24 years? Bold move…
Prediction: Vance will try the “Stolen Valor” line and get owned.
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/08/nx-s1-5068668/vance-walz-stolen-valor-military-record
Vance after the Debate
Walz should have just called it out right there: your running mate is a reality denying narcissist, and you’re his lapdog. You won’t say he lost because you’re scared daddy will yell at you if you do.
Vance: I did wanna answer your question, because you did ask it…
Narrator: He did not answer her question.
That was my favorite bit of the whole thing.
irrelevant rambling I want to answer your question because you did ask it dodges the shit out of the question
“Why won’t you rebut my lies?”
“They aren’t true”
“Ok but like why won’t you explain how?”
Vance digging deep into the reddit school of debate. ‘Explain to me how my lie is untrue please. I’ll derail all other talk until then.’
“We have well developed views on public policy so we don’t have to prepare that much,” Vance said in a Teamsters press call on Wednesday morning. “We feel a lot more confident and frankly, you don’t have to prepare if you don’t have to hide what you say.”
-Jd “we make stuff up” Vance
😂🤣😂🤣
A little more than an hour in…
Vance has been exactly as polished as expected, other than a slightly rough start coming off as robotic. He’s managed a few genuinely human-seeming moments, too, especially upon learning that one of Walz’s kids witnessed a shooting. But he’s been lying nearly constantly.
Walz isn’t as polished, but he’s been doing much better in that department than I would have expected, while still coming off as very nice and genuine. He’s had a couple of flubs, but none of them were debate killers, while he’s gotten in far more actual hits than Vance, by far. Like, it’s not even close.
There’s another thing: Vance is legitimately boring to listen to. I didn’t realize this before, but his voice could be used as a sleep aid.
I’m biased. I’ll own that. So take from this what you will: I think Walz is winning. It’s close, but I think he’s coming off as more honest and more real, while Vance is coming off as dishonest and plastic.
I see where you’re coming from, but I’d argue that while Walz is doing a respectable job, he’s not quite managing to keep up with Vance’s pace. The thing about Vance that makes him particularly worrisome is that he’s refined Trump’s messaging—he’s just as dangerous, but he presents it in a way that’s far more polished and effective. That’s what makes him so slippery.
Sure, Walz’s authenticity is a big plus, but in a debate setting, especially on TV, polish can sometimes outshine sincerity. And Vance, after shaking off that stiff opening, has settled into a confident, almost calculated cadence that’s making his points hit harder—even when they’re misleading. It’s that ability to mask lies behind a veneer of smooth professionalism that’s giving Vance the edge right now.
So, while I agree that Walz is holding his own and has some solid moments, Vance’s ability to deliver Trump’s talking points with better packaging makes him a much tougher opponent.
