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  • nullptr@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Well, except Europeans never lived in America before Columbus, but Jews did live in Palestine/ Middle East

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      Some did, but the whole point of Israel was a place for European countries to send their Jewish populations.

      People who even if they were also ethnically Semitic, were descended from people who voluntarily left the area generations ago.

      They could have immigrated there, instead European governments just declared it was theirs now.

      Like, imagine if every American with Irish heritage were granted birthright citizenship there and the people who never left are shoved down into an ever shrinking slice of land. That’s what’s happening

      • woop_woop@lemmy.world
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        were descended from people who voluntarily left the area generations ago

        There have been forced deportations from that area for millenia. They’re talked about in the Bible and the Romans did it.

        • eacapesamsara@sh.itjust.works
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          Weird then how the majority of Palestinians are a genetically unbroken set of lineages from before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Some deportations from very specific areas happened, like from Jerusalem to the West Bank during Roman rule.

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            I’m not sure the point you’re trying to make…I was just pointing out that “voluntarily leaving what is now Israel” is wildly misleading and wrong

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      Jews did live in Palestine/ Middle East

      Look up the history of the Beta Israelis / Ethiopian Jews and their treatment in the reconstituted state of Israel.

      Compare that to the treatment of Afrikaner Israeli converts emigrating from South Africa and Russian/Ukrainian Jews fleeing violence in the current Russo-Ukraine War.

      You’ll notice one of the groups was targeted for mandatory sterilization and it wasn’t the white folks.

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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      The Jewish settlers didn’t live in Palestine, they lived in Europe and then moved to Palestine to steal the land. They’re white.

      Just because one ancestor a dozen generations ago lived somewhere doesn’t mean you have a right to evict the actual people living on that land.

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        That thinking is like believing you have the right to expel the people that lives in the house your grandmother lived on but left when she got married. But now the house is yours because “here lived my family”.

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          Yeah, but then add a dozen or more generations. Not your grandma, your many times removed ancestor from before the printing press or some shit.

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            I said grandmother to show an example that can’t be used with the “but it’s an historical thing”.

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                To show how dumb is that argument. “My ancestors from 2000 years ago lived there, therefore this land is mine” is as dumb as “my grandmother lived there, therefore this house is mine”. With the same reasoning, Italy could claim all the Mediterranean coast belongs to them. And if it’s from “God gave us this land”, Spain and Portugal divided the Earth (except Europe) for them “because God”. Does this mean Spain and Portugal can claim “their land” back?

      • JoYo@lemmy.ml
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        Palestinians didn’t live in Palestine during that time, either. they migrated when everyone else did.

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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          A ton of them just converted from Judaism. This idea that Arabs flooded into Palestine after kicking all the Jews out is racist revisionist history.

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            1 year ago

            that’s not what I said at all.

            they migrated when everyone else did.

            • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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              How am I supposed to read this as anything other than “Palestinians migrated into Israel when the Jews migrated out”? Which, I must reiterate, is a racist myth.

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        I don’t agree on wording in the first paragraph, but do agree with the second paragraph.

        What now? Evicting all 8 millions of Israeli to make Hamas happy?

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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          How about ending apartheid and making a multiethnic, multi-religious democratic state from the river to the sea? Israelis can become Palestinian, they don’t need to leave.

    • bufalo1973@lemmy.ml
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      Now imagine a civil war happens in the US and the only places spared are the Indian reservations. And when the war ends, with the army, the air force, the national guard, … all destroyed, the Indians start spreading their territory bombing the remnants of the US, with some help from Russia or China or…

      Will you find the Indians have the right to carpet bomb NY or Dallas because they lived there 2 or 3 centuries ago?

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            I don’t support carpet bombing neither. I do support the pager explosion thing tho.

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              So you support turning people into suicide bombers without them knowing it. What if the ones with the bomb were from your country? Remember that civilians were hurt too.

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                Yes, i really think it was a well targeted operation. Almost no civilian was hurt. If Ukraine could pull that off against Russian FSB, i would be ao happy

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                  And if the targets are from the US? UK? Ukraine? France? What then? Still good? An attack to kill every US general but with hundreds of civilians wounded or killed?

                  • nullptr@lemmy.world
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                    There is no evidence of “hundreds civilians” being hurt, it’s quite the opposite,only couple of civilians

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      Jewish people living in Palestine is no fig leaf to justify European genocidal colonialism.