• NineMileTower@lemmy.world
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    Did anyone actually watch the video? She’s upset that neither side represent what she deems acceptable.

    She’s young and doesn’t understand that government doesn’t get fixed in a day. Where we are is the result of influence from corporate stooges since Reagan. It’s come to a boiling point and I understand her frustration. A vote for Harris is a vote for steering the ship towards what she deems is acceptable, but that ship sails slower than a lot people can understand.

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      I agree with the core of what you’re saying except I disagree that she “doesn’t understand” how slowly politics works. I think her decision to vote for Harris anyway speaks to that kind of understanding, else she’d endorse a third-party candidate/write-in in a poor attempt to speed-run democracy.

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      Yeah I get it. I was young once and I’ve even had to have the bitter realization that even Revolution neither happens in a day nor resolves anything quickly. I ask for the passion of the young to hold hands with the wisdom of us older folks. It’s easy to demand sudden change, and important too, but building bases of power are important.

      Vote for Kamala then hold her feet to the fire. Vote in every primary. Discuss what you think with people around you when it comes up, I know I’m the annoying pro trains girl at work. Build the support and make those maga losers afraid to show their faces.

      And entertainers can do so much. Cobain got people who wouldn’t otherwise thinking of homophobia as uncool for example

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      She’s young and doesn’t understand that government doesn’t get fixed in a day.

      I’m old and I’m still waiting for the government to be fixed.

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        Abortion was illegal for 70-120 years depending on the state. It was 50ish years from the progressive era and the beginning of birth control to the ruling of Roe. Overturning roe was a 50 year political project by the right.

        Sometimes it takes a lifetime.

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      Are you significantly older than Chappell Roan? Because I’m imagining you’re the one who doesn’t understand something.

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      Kamala isn’t in the correct direction at all though. The democratic party serves to delay progress in favor of the Republican party. There’s a reason they lie so much and confuse and refuse to address issues progressive voters want to address. It’s not gonna get better unless people stop voting for the same “lesser evil” presented to them and pushed to them in the media.

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        This is either some wild optimism or accelerationism.

        Gay rights activists got started in the 1970’s and in the 80’s they got homosexuality taken off the list of mental disorders and in the 90’s it looked like Hawaii was going to legalize same sex marriage and then the conservatives took notice and passed the defense of marriage act and Bill Clinton signed it (yes, a Democrat) and then Iowa and Massachusetts courts legalized it at the state level in the 00’s and for 10 years we watched court cases and ballot measures go state by state and then in 2014 we got obergefell.

        Republicans did not get us marriage equality, Democrats did. Republicans opposed it at every step. Even obergefel would not have happened if Clinton had not won and picked some SC justices. Clinton had a Republican house and Senate and he was more concerned with avoiding a government shutdown. Defense of marriage act was a Republican bill. Don’t ask don’t tell was a compromise with Republicans. Obama repealed don’t ask don’t tell after Dems took the white house and both houses of Congress.

        It matters who is in charge, every year, every election. And the Republican hasn’t been the progressive option since teddy Roosevelt left the Republicans to form the bull moose party.

        So acting like we need to punish the Democrats for not opposing netanyahu by electing Republicans is literally throwing Palestinians and poc and queer people and poor people under the bus for your own self rightiousness.

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    “I just woke up to, like, people just skewing it even more,” Roan said of the reaction to her no endorsement post of Tuesday. “Endorsing and voting are completely different. I don’t agree with a lot of what is going on with, like, policies. Like, obviously, fuck the policies on the right, but also fuck some of the policies on the left. That’s why I can’t endorse.”

    “I’m not gonna settle for what the options are that are in front of me, and you are not gonna make me feel bad for that,” Roan added today with a critique of both candidates and their positions, “So yeah, I’m voting for fucking Kamala, but I’m not settling for what has been offered, because that’s questionable.”

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      fuck the policies on the right, but also fuck some of the policies on the left. That’s why I can’t endorse.

      That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says. Hell, even if you do run you’ll probably end up making decisions you’re not happy with. Nothing is going to be perfect, that’s not the world we live in.

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    Like, she sounds like, so eloquently spoken and with like, well fucking thought out opinions, like fuuuuck! Im totally picking who she is sort of picking but not picking like wow. For real for real.

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    I guess I’m officially old because I don’t know who tf this person is or why I should care about her opinion but I keep seeing her name everywhere🤣

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    Boomer centrists know what a search engine is, but since Chappell Roan didn’t endorse, and voting isn’t good enough, so they’re like “Who? I never heard of her! She must not be very important if she doesn’t agree with me 100% on my terms!”

    Centrists can’t imagine people being frustrated with their decades of obstruction and sliding to the right.

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    She needs to get off the internet. She has more dumbasses and trolls now than she had total fans 2 years ago and she doesn’t know how to handle it.

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    Uh, it’s a ticket. You can’t vote for one and not the other. Walz is implicitly endorsed. I don’t understand what the point of the headline’s distinction is.

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    It’s bizarre that libs got mad at her either now or in the first place. I’ve heard this bizarre take of “Voting is not an endorsement!” plenty of times on here, and it just means that the person believes in unconditionally supporting the Dems while assuaging their conscience by sending thoughts and prayers to alter reality. Publically saying that you’ll vote for someone is an endorsement. It doesn’t matter what thoughts you hold on your head unless those thoughts actually impact material reality in some way.

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    Coolz, coolz. Didn’t know who this was before last week, super looking forward to this being the last bit of information I ever learn about them. Way too much look at me im relevant to actually be relevant. Should anyone care what any celebrity endorses?

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    I fail to see a reason why I should give a single fuck about what this person thinks about any subject, including music. Get back in the recording booth, and make your little songs. Your opinions are irrelevant.

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      You might not care, but enough of her fans cared enough and were confused by her previous statements that she felt the need to post.

      She’s famous enough that her approach to politics is news worthy. Whether you feel that’s true or not is immaterial because your just an anonymous rando who isn’t capable of influencing the zeitgeist at the scale of a platinum selling recording artist is

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        You missed the point, no one should care. Celebrity worship is rampant and goes too far. Her being famous enough that her approach to politics being newsworthy is a problem. The relationship between entertainer and entertainee should cease when the last track on the album ends. Her being popular doesn’t qualify her to speak on these subjects. It’s the same hole that Trump crawled out of.

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    Liberals: “There is no such thing as Blue MAGA.”

    Also Liberals: “Why aren’t you pledging your undying loyalty to Harris without question just like me?” 😡

    She had a very fair and reasonable take. Anyone should be skeptical and voting for Harris to Deny Trump is fine but that doesn’t mean there aren’t issues. People know the playbook by now material conditions and systematic issues won’t get addressed post election.

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      Endorsing is not the same as undying loyalty. Seems obvious. But I guess it has to be stated clearly.

      I think it’s perfectly fine to criticize anybody who says they’ll do everything in their power to support LGBTQ+, and then refuse to endorse Harris (even though she basically has).

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        She said she is still voting for her. I wouldn’t endorse someone active in genocide and who doesn’t match my values as well. I think she was fair and told people to think for themselves. It is good to see a celeb that isn’t a yes man for once.

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          I completely respect Gaza making people reluctant voters. But don’t tell me you’re doing everything in your power for LGBTQ+ if you’re not going to support the only candidate who supports those rights. Just don’t even mention it if you’re going to contradict it.

          Now, I only discovered who this person is this week (I heard one of her songs before all this stuff blew up). I don’t hate this person. My issues with her stance is about as minor as it can possibly be.

          I’m just a passive observer who is watching half the country vote for a megalomaniac, a sliver of ill informed cynics vote for a Russian stooge, and a bunch of otherwise rational Americans pretend they don’t STRONGLY side with one party of another on 95% of issues.

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            I don’t think Trump should win. I also don’t think the status quo works for all Americans, and I would be skeptical of someone who recently bragged about Dick Cheney endorsements and seems to be shifting right on policy. Chappell wants voters to come to their own decision, and I think that best. Even Bernie said something similar of just don’t blindly listen to me if you think I’m wrong. It is healthy for democracy.

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              I fully support questioning both sides. I support making up your own mind. Although I think the news goes out of its way to sanitize the dangers of right’s extremism, which makes it harder for low-information voters to make informed opinions. But that’s a separate conversation.

              None of that changes the fact that she has a platform and she isn’t using it for her cause as she claims she does. But I’m glad that she’s definitively voting for her causes along with tens of millions of other people.