They could have done the return with Snoke. But noo, we need to fuck up the long established canon by adding in old characters. We can’t explain how they survived so let’s say “somehow they did”.
Extended universes always have some really bizzare power creep / weird situations happening. The authors need to one up each other and think of stupider stuff with every book.
Did they not show a cloning facility that was constructing bodies for him? And have we not seen that force users consciousness survive after death? And wasn’t there a whole setup for his consciousness to be transferred into a new body through some dark side ritual? It wasn’t a great explanation but it was sufficient. I’m confused about why people think this was entirely left out. That one line of dialogue is bad but just because those characters don’t have an explanation doesn’t mean we as the audience do not. We do!
The “somehow he returned” betrays bad writing. Palpatine returning invalidates movies 1 - 6, Anakin’s redemption, Luke’s journey. It invalidates “I am your father” completely because who cares that Vader is his father when ultimately he does jack shit by sacrificing himself to kill one of many Palpatine’s bodies. Suddenly the story stops being Anakin is the chosen one, it starts being “let’s do this again ahyuk”
That’s a good question because the clone army based on Jango Fett shows that cloning tech is basically perfected in this universe. But the conditions were less than perfect in Palpatine’s case. Jango Fett was there in the facility, young and healthy and giving fresh blood samples daily. It’s not explicit but I took it that there was something special about him that made him ideal, too. Perhaps his genes were more compatible with cloning somehow. Palpatine was not such a specimen. He died unexpectedly, was already old, and they might have had to clone him from whatever they could find, like the smell of his farts on his throne cushion or whatever. Cloning is copying so source fidelity matters.
You’d think he would have kept some younger clones around, just in case. But then, he also was sure that Luke would join him and Anakin wouldn’t betray him even though that’s literally how the Sith work.
He wasn’t thinking ahead there was he. But then again in the Sith world, a clone of you would probably stab you in the back and replace you. The rule of 2 doesn’t allow clones ;D
They could have done the return with Snoke. But noo, we need to fuck up the long established canon by adding in old characters. We can’t explain how they survived so let’s say “somehow they did”.
The return of Sidious was already just okay in the EU. To bring it in to the mainline sequels? Bruh. Where are my Yuuzhan Vong?
Extended universes always have some really bizzare power creep / weird situations happening. The authors need to one up each other and think of stupider stuff with every book.
Yeah, we went through that ocean of good and bad and they chose the bad parts.
Always found it crazy that of all the stories they could have taken inspiration from they chose one of the few that was panned on release
Did they not show a cloning facility that was constructing bodies for him? And have we not seen that force users consciousness survive after death? And wasn’t there a whole setup for his consciousness to be transferred into a new body through some dark side ritual? It wasn’t a great explanation but it was sufficient. I’m confused about why people think this was entirely left out. That one line of dialogue is bad but just because those characters don’t have an explanation doesn’t mean we as the audience do not. We do!
The “somehow he returned” betrays bad writing. Palpatine returning invalidates movies 1 - 6, Anakin’s redemption, Luke’s journey. It invalidates “I am your father” completely because who cares that Vader is his father when ultimately he does jack shit by sacrificing himself to kill one of many Palpatine’s bodies. Suddenly the story stops being Anakin is the chosen one, it starts being “let’s do this again ahyuk”
Oh it’s a shitty story no doubt.
I’m just arguing against this notion that Palpatine was put back on the screen with zero explanation of how he returned from the dead.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, but why was the body he was in all rotting and gross if he had freshly cloned bodies to use?
That’s a good question because the clone army based on Jango Fett shows that cloning tech is basically perfected in this universe. But the conditions were less than perfect in Palpatine’s case. Jango Fett was there in the facility, young and healthy and giving fresh blood samples daily. It’s not explicit but I took it that there was something special about him that made him ideal, too. Perhaps his genes were more compatible with cloning somehow. Palpatine was not such a specimen. He died unexpectedly, was already old, and they might have had to clone him from whatever they could find, like the smell of his farts on his throne cushion or whatever. Cloning is copying so source fidelity matters.
You’d think he would have kept some younger clones around, just in case. But then, he also was sure that Luke would join him and Anakin wouldn’t betray him even though that’s literally how the Sith work.
He wasn’t thinking ahead there was he. But then again in the Sith world, a clone of you would probably stab you in the back and replace you. The rule of 2 doesn’t allow clones ;D
Well, he sure broke that rule, then!