Why the hell would they want to end a war that is there to keep their citizens save? 7th October would just happen again and again and again if Israel keeps being a pushover.
If a neighbouring state blew up your house, killing your children and your wife, would you be more or less likely to commit violent acts against them?
This will not keep Israel safe. It will only create further generations that hate them.
So you blame Israel for existing and being constantly under attack by terrorists… “how dare you fight back!” man cant make this shit up…
You fight back by being terrorists who kill women and children?
If i was in 1947, i would definitely oppose the creation of a state regadless of religion or race by recent emigrants. Now the situation is different, i just want gaza and the west bank to be completely liberated. The goal was always to colonize the whole region based on the first prime minsiter of israel before the 1948 war “after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine”
Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs…"Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923.
So you blame Palestina for existing and being constantly under attack by terrorists… “how dare you fight back!” man cant make this shit up
That argument works both ways
(Even if you oppose the classification of Israel as “terrorists” - although fair given the definition - replace terrorist in that sentence with “Israel” and the sentiment is exactly the same)
No i don’t i say there is Palestine as a country in the first place, its just a Israeli autonomous region because they behave like they do.
And yes i do blame the people there for having started a genocide after the founding of Israel and not having stopped by now, committing antisemitic crimes and crimes against humanity with repeatedly shooting rockets into Israel, a legitimate country that was given the area by England after they ended their colony there.
Oh and Israel already significantly reduced in size since then by giving space for peace.
Israel has been a pushover? This is the mindset that will keep this insurgency alive forever.
I heard an ex MI6 head cite some numbers on the current state of Hamas. They said that about 60% of the current fighters were orphans from previous wars. There’s gonna a whole lot more orphans from this one.
Israel is assured unsafe from another Oct 7 at least for a decade after this war, probably more. People won’t stop fighting when they have nothing left to lose. This expectation that these people would do something different than what you would when your families are killed is delusional.
Are you arguing that Israel should kill children?
And Israel being a pushover means Israel declaring wars that aren’t over for over to appease the antisemitic people around them.
It’s a genocide. Call it what it is you coward.
Its not. By definition and by court finding.
Exactly. And why would they end the war without getting everything they demand from the other side? They aren’t losing, Hamas is losing. People don’t seem to understand the concept of leverage in negotiations. If Hamas wants to end the war, they need to completely surrender and return all the hostages
The only thing they demand from the terrorists is to perish. So why would they. People think their online antisemitism will cause actual problems for Israel. Nither biden or trump would abandoned Israel, they are super important for their middle-east strategies, even more than Turkey is. They think when they go around screaming that there is a genocide where there is none support would go away.
Mod hat: I do not agree with this comment either, but that is not an excuse to break our civility rule. If you want to talk about why you think this person is incorrect, do it without insults.
Edit: I should add that this applied to OP as well, who has been banned for multiple civility rule violations.
User hat:
You deleted a comment I made because you said it was incivil (not going to repeat it, but it’s in the modlog)
Was it because I pointed out that they were denying a genocide?
That’s the only thing that was remotely personal, and if that breaks the rules is it acceptable to instead just link sources explaining how Israel is committing a genocide?
Genocidal denial is just a pretty big deal in my eyes, so I want to know how mods are ok with addressing it. I felt that I was following the sidebar by commenting on the argument and not the user, but apparently I misunderstood something.
I wouldn’t have mentioned it, by their comment denying genocide is literally just a few comments down this chain…
I don’t know why people keep acting like Israel’s current government wants peace, they repeatedly keep saying that they don’t.
The viability of a U.S.-backed proposal to wind down the 8-month-long war in Gaza was cast into doubt on Monday after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he would only be willing to agree to a “partial” cease-fire deal that would not end the war, comments that sparked an uproar from families of hostages held by Hamas.
In an interview broadcast late Sunday on Israeli Channel 14, a conservative, pro-Netanyahu station, the Israeli leader said he was “prepared to make a partial deal – this is no secret — that will return to us some of the people,” referring to the roughly 120 hostages still held in the Gaza Strip. “But we are committed to continuing the war after a pause, in order to complete the goal of eliminating Hamas. I’m not willing to give up on that.”
Netanyahu’s comments did not deviate dramatically from what he has said previously about his terms for a deal. But they come at a sensitive time as Israel and Hamas appear to be moving further apart over the latest cease-fire proposal, and they could represent another setback for mediators trying to end the war.
It’s propaganda meant to string you along and give the sense that Biden is “doing something” or that there is some daylight between the parties on this thing.
