It makes sense, it’s just stupidly presented.
It makes sense if you believe that cars should have absolute priority in traffic and should never never ever be in the slightest inconvenienced in order to make life easier for cyclists.
Hence the “hmmmm.”
It’s presented the way it is, it’s just shit infrastructure.
Someone designed this intersection and got asked where the bike paths were and they went “oh, the bikepaths, yeah, they exist… here and here and here… it’s just not on this particular slide, or any other slide I’ve brought today. It’ll totally be there on the final thing.”
If I need 5min to read and understand a road sign which you will pass at >15km/h annd have 10sek to read it’s just bad.
https://www.adfc.de/artikel/den-regeln-der-stvo-folgen
In principle, cyclists may choose whether to turn left directly or indirectly.
When turning directly left, cyclists may also leave cycle paths that are subject to mandatory use in order to turn directly left, but must pay attention to straight ahead traffic, which has the right of way. If you want to turn directly left, get into the middle of the lane in good time and follow the traffic lights of the corresponding lane.
When turning indirectly left, the cyclist first stays to the right and crosses the junction or intersection. They then turn left. The cyclist therefore crosses two lanes straight ahead.
Of course, the question arises as to whether you want to cycle on the road or prefer to stay on the cycle path.
As a cyclist you’re in constant danger around car traffic. Insisting on your rights will likely get you killed. We need cycling infrastructure that is separate from car infrastructure and that will create some inconvenience for car drivers.
Man, I hate the detours you’re supposed to take as a pedestrian or bicyclist, so that car drivers don’t get inconvenienced.
I’m sure there are plenty of car drivers who’d take the challenge to follow those bike routes.
My theory is that all traffic planning in Germany is being done by drunk chimpanzees. This confirms it yet again.
I’ve been staring at it for a moment and am still unsure if I understood everything properly. xd
Jesus, i saw that picture and thought
well murica and their anti pedestrian street designs
Then read your comment.
Checked the picture.
Zoomed in. there is text.
in disbelief
thats actually a german crossing.
Got angry and dumbfounded at the same time.
What piece of shit is this crossing?!
Towards whatever Communityplanners on meth that did this: Fix this shit!
See, I watch Adam Something videos from the point of view that he’s not really talking about America. He’s talking about European politicians looking at terrible ideas from America and trying to replicate them.
This is a pretty good example. America wouldn’t do this, exactly, but it’s a step towards our terrible bike infrastructure. The other poster had the right of it: in America, the sign wouldn’t be there at all, but the intersection would still be badly designed.
You can easily tell it’s not American because it’s even there in the first place. You don’t get a sign explaining the bike paths and crosswalks in America. You just gotta know or get fucked. Also we wouldn’t have a complicated bike route we just wouldn’t have one, solves that issue…
Towards whatever Communityplanners on meth that did this: Fix this shit!
The city planner: „What do you mean? This intersection is just fine. I drive my car through it every day.“
And it complies with all regulations. As long as we comply with regulations, we don’t have to come up with reasonable solutions.
It’s so obvious!
/s
Is it not obvious? You’re not allowed to go straight from the sign is.
You have to make a right if you want to make a right, a left or continue going straight.
They probably have the lanes marked out too.
Basically bikes have to go around the intersection as if it was a roundabout
Welcome to Germany!
That might be Switzerland. White frames around traffic lights are not typical for Germany. And the sign itself would likely have a white background instead of a yellow one. Also there is a Molly Malone Pub with a similar typography as the one in the ad in Winterthur, Switzerland.
And yes, it’s a very boring day today
Why don’t kids just bike to school anymore.
That and (in America at least) closing neighborhood schools to consolidate them into larger ones further away. They’re allegedly better because they can offer more variety of classes and amenities, but losing local schools, which serve as a focus of the community, can destroy neighborhoods. (Example: English Avenue School closing in 1995, and the surrounding neighborhood suffering a huge increase in crime shortly thereafter.)
It’s not that hard to read from here, but definitely hard to read cycling
Sign or not this is pretty much how cyclists are supposed to cross most big intersections and the inconvenience of it is the reason so many of them break the rules. If you make rules that are too complicated, counterintuitive or inconvenient people will break them.
Hitler seems to still be building the Autobahns
At first I thought the bottom was just two different deconstructions of the bicycle
This is made sense pretty much right away for me. It’s like a roundabout, go around to the right until you have your exit.
Congrats. What about everyone else? There are clearly enough people here that this is confusing for it be taken seriously. Especially since this is how cyclists get killed.
Ps. Fuck cars
I suggest everyone else step up their game and learn how to read signs. It really is not a complicated sign. I thought the arrows were enough, but perhaps if the sign were written in crayon it would help.
Ps. Fuck bicycles
For a second I thought we were in the fuckcars community and I couldn’t believe you said fuck bicycles.
I hope you don’t really hate bicycles though. Wonderful mode of transit overall.
Not really, no. I do think the cyclists have the worst sense of entitlement though. I’m down for a better infrastructure to accommodate cycling, but as is, more often than not I see them not obeying the laws of the road, or riding on sidewalks, or slow riding in the middle of the road instead of getting over to the side to give room to pass. Often when I’m running down the nature trail, I will encounter incoming cyclists two wide hogging the trail, and think I’m going to give up my half. I hug the middle line so one of those ungrateful twats has to get over. Also the assholes that don’t alert when they pass. Going down the trail and Johnny Bikeman blows by with no warning, which is extremely inconsiderate, dangerous, and scary. Often the ride with loud music, and that pisses me off to. Put on headphones, nobody wants to hear your trash, Doppler effect music.
Obviously that’s not all cyclists and this is a generalization, (like vegans and CrossFit) but it’s been a notable part of my experiences with them. I have a bike that I use to exercise and train with, and when I go out and ride I make sure to follow the rules and minimize my interference with others. It’s pretty simple.
I thought it was a warning… Be careful or your bike will end up in this shape.
They need a sign like this which gets the point across:
