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The russian army is entirely bound in its invasion into Ukraine. If it weren’t for the threat of nuclear annihilation, NATO would get to Moscow within 3 days. A true 3-day military operation.
No, no, don’t worry, they still have their secondary army of sad conscripts (poor people only, don’t worry) who are ritually tortured for a year as a rite of adulthood.
I’m pretty sure that’s the army they’re using at the moment, I remember seeing news stories of elderly Farmers being conscripted over a year ago
There’s a second, even-sadder army behind that one. In the Donbass, (previously? Not sure how it is now) legally distinct from Russia itself, they were just mass-conscripting people for the meat grinder. The actual Russian citizens in Ukraine, though, are overwhelmingly volunteers (and overwhelmingly impoverished ethnic minorities) who were bribed or tortured during their rite of adulthood until they said “Dying in Ukraine is better than this” and ‘voluntarily’ signed a service contract.
Then what? Let us not fall into the Iraq trap
I hate jingoistic bullshit. 3days? How many years were we in Afghanistan?
Ukraine troops are battle hardened and have NATO tanks and weapons. They are holding on but territory changes are tiny. Modern war isn’t WW2 blitzkrieg.
The actual entry into Afghanistan and overwhelming of local forces was wildly fast? The majority of our time in Afghanistan wasn’t slowly advancing on Kabul. It was failing miserably to build a coherent state sympathetic to US interests amidst a mad dash of privatized MIC interests maximally extracting revenues from the US.
Yup, doesn’t help that Afghanistan is like 5 territories masquerading as one whole state. The only reason Afghanistan hasn’t split is because of the Taliban holding it together.
Yes, you take Moscow in 3 days like Kabul, then what? It has no military value.
How many will then die over the decades to road side bombs?
I think you’re underestimating the importance of Moscow in today’s Russia. It’s not like it was in Napoleon’s time or even Stalin’s. Russia has become a much more centralized State and Moscow has become incredibly crucial to the way the country is run. To the point that there’s widespread dissatisfaction with the power of Moscow. Speak to anyone in outlying areas and they speak of Moscow with resentment. There’s a reason there’s so many separatist movements in Russia.
I don’t know anything about Moscow other than what I read. As to speaking about Moscow with resentment, that’s exactly how all of the rural US talks about DC.
Other than a nuclear strike, all politicians would have plenty of time to evacuate. Modern communications makes their physical location irrelevant.
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Even with nuclear annihilation, NATO could still get to Moscow in a three day operation. It’s just a question of which cities back home are still standing.
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Moscow is not the big prize you might think it is. Russia can just retreat hundreds of kilometers further east and carry on.
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NATO can do the thunder run, but they are not equipped to win a massive land war in Asia. You really gotta listen to the Sicilian from Princess Bride on this one.
If nukes started popping off, there’d be zero reason to send in ground forces until it was all over. Lastly, I’m not convinced Russia’s nuclear program is much better off than NATO’s. So many interviews with nuke watch officers talking about how old and decrepit our silos are. The DoD supposedly approved a modernization package a few years ago for all of them, but I’m still skeptical how efficient the targeting is on everything and how well they’ll avoid missile defense systems.
None of the current ICBM platforms were designed for missile defense. Missile defense simply did not exist at the time.
Sentinel is busting its budget because it’s renovating and rebuilding all of the ground segments: all of those decrepit silos and computer systems. It’s still money well spent in my opinion.
Missile guidance is not a computationally hard problem, and it hasn’t changed much since the 50s. Terminal missile defense is a fantastically hard problem, and wasn’t mastered until the last decade or two. And the current generation missile defense capabilities still haven’t all been demonstrated in combat.
Having said that, I would generally expect NATO’s missiles to work as advertised in a hot war. And I would plan for Russia’s missiles to be somewhat less effective than they advertise, but still a credible threat.
It’s difficult to counter a MIRV regardless of how old it is.
All valid and fair points.
Regardless, I truly hope we never have to find out either way. The human species is capable of incredible things if we just set aside historical, cultural, and petty differences and worked towards a common goal of lifting everyone up. Wars of aggression are barbaric and unnecessary and I hope one day we all mentally evolve past such tendencies for mass violence. It’s a naive pipe dream, but one can always dream.
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Okay. Send in Poland to end the war. They’ll be thrilled, I’m sure.
At this point, I think Estonia could do it alone.
I know some Estonians, they could do it while black out drunk
Easy loophole. Tell Eastern European countries they can do whatever the hell they want. I think several have a score to settle with Russia.
But seriously if Putin would prefer to not have deep strikes into Russia, then maybe we could meet him halfway – send a NATO coalition to Ukraine and steamroll Russia out. Including from Crimea.
So he’s currently struggling against just Ukraine but he’s warning us that he could end up facing the whole of NATO?
Good, fuck you Putin.
Didn’t he already repeatedly claim that he’s fighting directly with the West?
Even in his own words what would this change?
Do eeeitttt. Russia is already invaded by Ukraine with no direct participation of NATO. Let’s see how they do against actual NATO planes, tanks, ships and soldiers.
Bring it you ruskie coward.
I can understand how the guidance systems being still controlled by NATO satellites/support mechanisms would be considered a different level for them, but is it just more sabre rattling? That’s the question.
Yes, this is just more saber rattling.
And here is the moment it sails over everyone’s head that this is exactly the same claim for Palestine that many are claiming occurs when the US sells weapons to Israel.
Weird.
I always have to preface this by saying I am by no means a Putin apologist, but just follow the money. America loves a war no matter where it is. And why? Because we gotta sell all these bombs and missiles to someone…
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