• lennybird@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Friendly reminder that literally all legalization legislation and referendums have come through the Democratic party.

    Biden already pledged support. He needs youth vote. There’s literally no reason he wouldn’t unless he was blocked by Republicans…

    … Which he is.

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      Friendly reminder that literally all legalization legislation and referendums have come through the Democratic party.

      https://www.kiplinger.com/politics/red-states-embrace-marijuana-the-kiplinger-letter

      Red states are poised to increasingly embrace weed. Ohio is the latest, becoming the 24th state to legalize marijuana for recreational use via a voter referendum. This follows successful efforts in the past two years in Montana and Missouri. Fourteen states have legalized marijuana for medical use only.

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      7 months ago

      The legalization of cannabis in my state was brought about by activists, not Democratic Party members, and was passed by the public, which is made up of a majority of unaffiliated voters. Our Democratic governor vehemently opposed the measure. He did implement it when it passed, which Republican legislatures and governors have not done when similar bills were passed by the public in Republican states, though.

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      Then why is one of his campaign promises written as: “As president he will decriminalize cannabis…”

      Is his campaign promising things he doesn’t have the power to do?

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        Is his campaign promising things he doesn’t have the power to do?

        A president can do almost NOTHING unilaterally. What they’re promising you is what they’ll support if it makes it to their desk. This is how checks and balances work… if you want to vote for someone who has sworn to be as shitty as possible because the guy who swore to do things you want can’t just snap his fingers and make it happen, I guess nobody can stop you…

        What you’re finding is that the Democratic party is still interested in a functioning government where people don’t just vote the party line like a borg - which results in more difficulty passing legislation. Unfortunately, “both sides same” isn’t remotely accurate which you’re finding out.

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        Yes this is literally par for the course for every single presidential campaign in history.

        They promise what they’ll do. They don’t say try to do because that’s been tested in marketing and certainty sounds better. Nevertheless it’s not Biden’s fault his agenda for what he’s been voted into office on is being blocked by the opposition for poor reasons.

        The question isn’t why isn’t Biden doing this, the issue is why are Republicans blocking it and why aren’t you trying to convince them and their supporters?

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          Well, I don’t have a study backing me up, but in my experience, promising what you can’t deliver often results in being called a liar.

          I really don’t know why “other candidates do it” would be an excuse. The whole pitch for voting for him is that he is supposed to be better than the other candidates. Seems like whataboutism.

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          If I can’t believe any of the good campaign promises from biden because everyone lies, why should we take the scary campaign promises of republicans seriously?

          It really leads to apathy in the voter base.

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            For the same reason we take Biden seriously: Legalization has progressed in universally all blue states, has it not?

            Ergo, you answered your own question: promises often come to fruition.

            So let’s not risk letting Republican promises become reality, such as the promise of overturning Roe… Righhtttt?

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              promises often come to fruition.

              It’s more like he’s bandwagoning something that now has popular support, without actually accomplishing much.

              If he was serious he could reappoint DEA and other positions. Or an executive order to be challenged in court, etc.

              Both Biden and his VP are on record as being anti marijuana before this last campaign. Biden as recently as when he was VP himself.

              Bidens campaign has also fired or removed staffers for prior marijuana use.

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                Let’s review this as I’m seeing goalpost moving and circular reasoning present, forgetting curiously strange double-standards in where one directs their attention:

                • I highlight the fact that all Marijuana legalization, decriminalization initiatives, referendums have come under the Democratic party with Democratic states being the trailblazers
                • You ignore this fact.
                • You Pivot to why Biden is making promises he can’t keep
                • I point to the fact that this is universal and the promise would be kept if it wasn’t for Republican Obstruction
                • I ask why you concern yourself so much with Biden and not the obvious Republican obstructionists and their base whom you would be better served convincing in their comment threads.
                • Again, you ignore this inquiry.
                • You pivot to downplaying Trump’s bad promises because they MIGHT be obstructed (rightfully so) by Democrats. (Forget the fact that one GOP/Trump Promise of overturning Roe came to fruition)
                • I thus this proves my point.
                • You, again, ignore this, then circle back to why Biden isn’t trying harder. This is ostensibly victim-blaming. In other words, “Why isn’t the hero of the story not doing MORE to overcome the villain!?”

                It’s more like he’s bandwagoning something that now has popular support, without actually accomplishing much.

                Yes, it’s pretty normal that popular things are often adopted by Presidential candidates. Kind of a no-brainer, don’t you think? As I said before: (1) It’s popular, and (2) Biden needs those youth voters. If it’s so popular, why isn’t Trump doing it? Why are Republicans so opposed? This finally begs the question: Why WOULDN’T Biden support it if he could? The answer is: there is no valid reason, which means Republicans are largely to blame while the workarounds are cumbersome and even run the risk of wasting time in front of the conservative Supreme Court, jeopordizing future attempts at decriminalization.

                Politicians change minds. Legalization has become far more popular in recent times. At the end of the day, like it or not, Democrats and Biden are still the best pathways toward decriminalization. We certainly won’t get anything out of Trump and Republicans (which it strikes me as odd you tried to downplay Trump above).

                At this point if it looks quacks and acts like a duck it probably is one. To bystanders reading this thread, this user demonstrates all classic signs of a right-wing operative intending to gaslight, sow defeatism, and wedge-drive Democrats.

                You will see more of this, sadly.

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    7 months ago

    Democrats when Democrats don’t use their powers to do what they promised: “Um akshully it has to pass congress and guess what all dem republicans are blocking the bills so really biden’s hands are tied and it’s your fault for not voting enough”

    Also Democrats: “lmao lets shove thousands of bombs to Israel and run security defense exercises against the Houthis without congressional approval”

    Meanwhile Republicans: “executive privilege and unconstitutional orders go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr”

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    Fun fact: Biden has already pardoned thousands of people with marijuana convictions. Asking him to pardon EVERYONE when they may have had marijuana as a minor add-on to other criminal charges is a bit silly of an ask.

    Biden doesn’t run the DEA and can’t force them to reschedule the drug. This is almost as dumb as the conservatives saying Biden needs to do something about border security then not being upset the Republicans have voted against every effort to do something about border security before it makes it to Biden’s desk.

    *the number of people in this country who think the President is a dictator and can literally just make up laws on his own is terrifying.

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      It was one of the campaign promises. Is it wrong to hold the president accountable for what they’ve said?

      And even if he doesn’t have the authority to force it on his own, he still had enough influence to make it happen. Obama gets a lot of credit for “Obamacare,” even though it wouldn’t have happened without majority support in both the house and senate.

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      The number of people in this country who want the President to be a dictator and literally just make up laws on his own is also terrifying.

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        Democrats said their hands were tied for decades. But Biden’s hands weren’t tied when he got to support Netanyahu’s genocide.

        I don’t know about anyone else, but I cannot trust that when a democrat says their hands are tied, it’s actually the case, instead of just what democrats say about shit they don’t want to do.