There is no denying that white supremacy is an engine of the right.
There are some Republican voters who are sympathetic to their party’s ultranationalist turnand don’t believe the party’s attitudes toward issues such as immigration and crime are the products of racial animus. But over and over again, right-wing leaders and thinkers reveal that white supremacism is an engine of this movement.
The latest example comes via an episode of “The Tucker Carlson Show” released this week, in which the former Fox News host interviews podcast host and newsletter writer Darryl Cooper. Carlson, arguably the most influential right-wing nationalist commentator in America, said Cooper “may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States.” But Cooper has made clear that his intellectual project regarding World War II includes Holocaust revisionism.
It is truly insane to me that the one party in this country has moved into straight-up holocaust denial, but the only thing that will get you labeled an antisemite by either party is suggesting we politely ask Israel to do a little less genocide with the weapons we give them.
To be fair both parties are currently engaged in genocide denial.
Well, you’re not wrong.
A holocaust/genocide studies professor once told me there were two categories of holocaust deniers, and while the former were fools, the latter truly scared him:
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“It didn’t happen.”
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“It wasn’t a holocaust because they didn’t finish the job.”
This is veering into #2 territory when you view these deaths as some sort of portion that had “overcrowding.”
#2 is what defenders of Israel are saying today too
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You let in the Nazis, you’re gonna get Nazi ideology
Alright, so stay with here…
Cooper also framed the slaughter of millions of people, most of them Jewish, as a logistical failure
The article is spreading Holocaust misinformation too. Most of the victims of the Holocaust were not Jewish.
6 million out of 17 million isn’t a majority.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
It’s fucking infuriating that so many people keep repeating that bullshit. People legit believe it, it’s what we’re taught in schools even. But it’s just propaganda so kids grow up more likely to excuse Israel’s current genocides.
Holocaust victims were people targeted by the government of Nazi Germany based on their ethnicity, religion, political beliefs, disability or sexual orientation For specified groups like the Jews, genocide was the Nazis’ primary goal. According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), the Holocaust was “the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jewish men, women and children by the Nazi regime and its collaborators”.[1]
Including 7.8 million soviet civilians and POWs in the count kind of seems like a revisionist definition of what the holocaust was to include anyone killed in the war. To undermine how much focus was on the jews pre-war.
To be fair, the Soviet citizens were targeted because of their ethnicity. Slavics were considered sub human like Jews.
Then you’d have to also look at deaths before the war for every group…
Like, you get that right?
Do you just not know most of the death wasn’t till Nazis understood they were likely going to lose the war?
That’s not a rhetorical question. To understand how to best explain this it helps if I know this is something you’ve thought about more than clicking on the Wikipedia link from a social media comment 2 minutes ago.
Where do I need to start explaining stuff here?
According to museumoftolerance.com and their Holocaust Timeline, Hitler said during a Reichstag speech in January 1939:
if war erupts it will mean the Vernichtung (extermination) of European Jews
So before the war even started, when these people were already surviving in the world, eating, etc, the Nazis and Hitler already knew feeding them would be a logistical problem best solved by death?
The Chelmno (Kulmhof) extermination camp began operations on December 8, 1941, literally one day after Pearl Harbor, far before Germany was “losing” the war. And camps don’t just pop up overnight, especially ones that earn the denomination of being an extermination camp, so was this just more logistical foresight on behalf of those oh so kind Nazi officials?
From the same source regarding the Kulmhof Extermination Camp opening:
340,000 Jews, 20,000 Poles and Czechs murdered by April 1943
Or the March 17, 1942 Entry:
Extermination begins in Belzec; by end of 1942 600,000 Jews murdered
Wow, the German 6th Armored didn’t surrender at Stalingrad until January 1943, and the Allies didn’t invade until June 1944, so that’s an awful lot of “mercy killing” happening before the Nazis knew they were going to lose the war.
And FYI, just because the Nazis didn’t begin their extermination campaign until after the war began, doesn’t mean their actions don’t signal what their intentions were from the start: Dachau opened in March 1933, Jewish Germans were barred from military service in 1935, Jewish doctors barred from practicing medicine in 1936, immigrant Jews having their German citizenship status revoked, the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, Kristallnacht in 1938… Like, you see all this, right?
Where do I need to start explaining stuff here?
So I said:
Do you just not know most of the death wasn’t till Nazis understood they were likely going to lose the war?
And you link about less than a million deaths…
Do you think 1 out of 17 million is a majority?
Then there’s a big rant about other stuff you didn’t understand…
But I won’t get to that, one thing at a time because it’s concerning we’re going in the wrong way.
6/17 isn’t bigger than half, and 1/17 is a lot less than half, you need the top number to get bigger
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Removed, civility.
So, nothing but insults?
And accusing the people who don’t want to ignore the majority of Holocaust victims the whole ones denying the Holocaust?
I’m not the one ignoring 11 million deaths because they’re not Jewish.
Ok, so then what was the plan? If the killing was a mercy, and was expedited by Germany losing the war, what was the plan for the 17 million collective people? Because I provided such a dismally low number of under one million in response to your comment saying the only reason the Nazis started killing more quickly was because they were losing. And those one million (more, since I’m sure my source didn’t count all deaths, only those who were Jewish) mattered to people, so they mean no less than the other 16 million killed later during the war.
I’m waiting, I’ve provided sources regardless of whether you respect them, you’ve provided nothing to back up any of your claims, so why don’t you refute my apparently unfounded claims of you being a holocaust denier?
Is that civil enough for a discussion with a holocaust denier, moderators? I’m glad we have to respect the opinions of holocaust deniers, god bless tolerating the intolerant. 🙄
Too chicken to answer my questions? Or did you finally realize you’re wrong?
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I did Nazi that coming
The racism is just used to distract from the economic issues faced by the middle class, low information voters need to be educated about this.
The republican party is going to destroy America and then their rich will move overseas. You already have TX governors fucking off every time a weather event happens.
Cooper also framed the slaughter of millions of people, most of them Jewish, as a logistical failure. Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, he said, entered Germany into “a war where they were completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war, of local political prisoners.”
“They went in with no plan for that and they just threw these people into camps,” he added. “And millions of people ended up dead there.”
Poor little nazis, kek.
That ‘historian’ is to be bullied from every college debate club.
Hell, not even the fucking Nazis themselves claimed that they weren’t deliberately operating death camps. Here’s Rudolf Höss, commandant of Auschwitz:
Technically [it] wasn’t so hard—it would not have been hard to exterminate even greater numbers… The killing itself took the least time. You could dispose of 2,000 head in half an hour, but it was the burning that took all the time. The killing was easy; you didn’t even need guards to drive them into the chambers; they just went in expecting to take showers and, instead of water, we turned on poison gas. The whole thing went very quickly.
And here he is, after his trial, four days before his execution:
My conscience compels me to make the following declaration. In the solitude of my prison cell, I have come to the bitter recognition that I have sinned gravely against humanity. As Commandant of Auschwitz, I was responsible for carrying out part of the cruel plans of the ‘Third Reich’ for human destruction. In so doing I have inflicted terrible wounds on humanity. I caused unspeakable suffering for the Polish people in particular. I am to pay for this with my life. May the Lord God forgive one day what I have done. I ask the Polish people for forgiveness. In Polish prisons I experienced for the first time what human kindness is. Despite all that has happened I have experienced humane treatment which I could never have expected, and which has deeply shamed me. May the facts which are now coming out about the horrible crimes against humanity make the repetition of such cruel acts impossible for all time.
Doesn’t really sound like the statement of a guy who was trying to claim it didn’t fucking happen, or that it was anything but a deliberate crime against humanity.
Just when you think they can’t get more racist
Again???
Didn’t think they’d bring this one back until they released their ‘Greatest Shits’ album.
This is the same demographic with the Q-anon stuff not shocking. Reality and history isn’t their thing.
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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/josh-hawleys-ahistorical-christian-nation-nonsense-matters-rcna161078
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https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/tucker-carlson-nazi-darryl-cooper-rcna169809Please understand that I did significant work toward the preservation of witness accounts of the Holocaust myself and I know that it all happened from firsthand observation of the evidence.
I’m having a hard time understanding how it matters that Republicans are bad on the Holocaust when the Democrats are currently the ones funding and arming and abetting a genocide. This is whataboutism at its most vile. I don’t want to read another word about revisionism while people in power NOW are allowing it to happen again on their watch. This is bullshit.
Your anger should be directed at the military industrial complex.
Trust me I have plenty to go around
