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- privacy@lemmy.world
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- privacy@lemmy.world
Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new “king”
Update: position got backed up by an official Proton post on Mastodon, it’s an official Proton statement now. https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503
Update 2, plot-twist: they removed this response from Mastodon - seems they realize it exploded into their face!
OK let me add fuel to the fire. here in Andy’s response he says the tweet was from last year which is technically true but it was from December 2024.
Also how can he think that Trump stands for little guys when he has elon musk as his pet monkey
I was just going to start my de-google to Proton. Time for a new plan.
Eventually you will find you want a mail provider that just supports IMAP / POP without some paid middleman application just to use you email with certain clients else me stuck on the slow web UI. Luckily there are alternatives.
I went through so much effort to move my small business and team over to proton. wtf.
I have been de-googling for a while and proton was next on my list
Just some advice for all of you affected by this.
Begin demanding a response from the ownership of this company.
“Is this Message approved by your board, and owners”
Just leaving doesnt make a difference, and some of you in the comments bought services right before this. That fucking sucks.
We dont have journalists and media on our side to help any more(arguably we never did, but that’s a separate discussion)
I think there are still good bones in Proton, but you know where at least one piece cancer is, and its in the worst spot. Demand as stakeholders that they remove the cancer or admit its not going to happen. Repeat your messages until they publicy respond as a company not just the head of it.
Its a shame if you dont do at least as much as expressing that they owe you an explanation and that you need the company as a whole, to why this had happened
This is a betrayal to many of you, tell them exactly what they need to do
Good luck. It only takes one of you to suceed and we all win
Extra weird because this is always the narrative, yet Trump could be any further from “standing up for the little guys” if he tried. It’s the same with the AfD in Germany, their voted policies (which is public as per the EU regulations) are as anti-consumer pro-corpo as you can be, even edging our truly crazy libertarian money sucker positions.
“omg, turns out this big tech company is not my friend”
God damn it.
Exactly. I just switched to proton mail this week.
Been using their paid service for months. I have so many aliases. I’m just surprised. Surely this company knows its biggest user base has to be too educated to let this slide.
Lots of educated fascists. Having a degree hardly guarantees a progressive worldview. If you’re in an extractive industry or a heavily financialized one, it works against you.
What’s the best way to transfer to another secure email provider?
Really disappointing. Never imagined this from Proton. Truly dead to me now.
Self hosting is better these days.
How exactly does one self host a worldwide network of proxy servers?
But does this only create one node, or does it create dozens of them in each country?
Because I use a VPN so I can have anonymous exit nodes in whatever country I want. Happy to be corrected, but I don’t think that’s self-hostable.
My main self hosting point was for email. :)
How do you send email tho? Its my understanding that hosting is easy, but major providers will assume you are spam and block? Or do you just receive?
You can get a lot of really cheap vps boxes around the world (~$1/mo). You could manage them all with something like ansible.
Get one in each continent and you’re paying about the same you would be for a vpn provide plus whatever time you invest into it.
check out https://serverhunter.com/
Very carefully
Tor
I will reply to this comment over Tor. Please expect the response to arrive in 7-10 business days.
Honestly I’ll still be using Proton and recommending it because it’s just good and a net benefit for everyone, but goddammit Andy you should’ve taken Swiss neutrality to heart this time and not said anything.
1940s Swiss bank neutrality.
Fuck Proton. Use Mullvad instead.
Ahh yes, Mullvad email and drive. Both great products!
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Yes, let’s.
Less maintained? Did you even read the article you posted?
“We take these findings extremely seriously and have moved quickly to patch the identified issues,” said a Mullvad spokesperson. “We’re grateful to X41 for their thorough audit, which helps us continually improve our service’s security.”
Despite the concerning nature of some vulnerabilities, the researchers praised Mullvad’s overall security posture. “The Mullvad VPN Application appears to have a high security level and is well positioned to protect from the threat model proposed in this report,” the audit stated.
Standing up for the little guy. Huh. Is that why billionaires and CEO are throwing literal tens of millions at Trump? Why he staffed his cabinet with billionaires? Why the center of his policy is tax cuts for the giga wealthy, at the expense of everyone else and the national debt, at a time where wealth inequality is literally tearing the country apart?
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/15/trump-windfall-fundraising-500-million
https://www.axios.com/2024/12/09/trump-wealth-cabinet-politicians-billionaires
These are objective, public facts. Like, I’m way more conservative than Lemmy’s center and willing acknowledge any good Trump does, but what reality is this guy living in? Who is this statement for? Who the heck does he think is using Proton services? He just pissed off his employees and customers for… What?
Probably doesn’t want to get banned in the US… Or so my copium tells me.
Silver lining is that Proton is owned by a non-profit.
I was thinking this for a second, but is this really plausible? Normally when we talk about corporations we talk about how powerful they are and how they use different nations to locate headquarters and offices in order to mitigate legal and tax obligations. We regularly talk about how governments can’t reign them in and how they act with impunity.
But now? “They HAVE to capitulate. They are just doing it to survive.” Really? Do we really believe that? Or is it more likely that this is what they want and if they didn’t, they’d be fighting tooth and nail to stop it? I’m with the second option honestly.
That’s what I don’t get. If the proton CEO was actually raging MAGA, the last thing he should do, strategically, is stoke fires by stirring this up. That’s business 101.
…He must want conservative’s ears for some kind of policy issue, maybe to the detriment of Proton’s competitors. But what?
People somehow still surprised by Switzerland being neutral on Naziism
That chocolate ain’t gonna pay for itself!