I graduated with an information systems degree about a decade ago, and no employer has ever given me any amount of money for that degree. I have never gotten a bonus or higher pay because of it. Now, I’m seeing so many videos on TikTok and reels lately of students who graduated with a computer science degree costing them upwards of 90K, And they are all packed any huge room with like 20 employers who are hiring for like 300 jobs but there’s like thousands of them…

So basically if you want a digital piece of paper that says you’re “educated”, you can pay $40000 > $350,000. But you’ll never get any amount of money for it from employers, it won’t help you find a job. It’s a myth

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    no employer has ever given me any amount of money for that degree

    I don’t see how you can know this. If it helped you, it was as a baseline qualification that helped you get hired at all. Were you expecting some kind of moment where an HR person said, on your first day, “oh hang on a moment, you have a degree - we’ll need to raise your salary for that - terribly sorry for the oversight.”

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    There is a trend on social media to dismiss college as wasteful and expensive. Article after article after data show college is worth it (for some) if planned right.

    No, I don’t really want to entertain any suggestion that there is any conspiracy to drive people to college unnecessarily, however there is a LOT of marketing to get people to go. I have NEVER heard of an employer paying a random, off the street hire, for a degree. I have no idea where that came from. Some employers will pay you, or pay for, advancing your education while employed, but that’s rare.

    Unfortunately, people don’t do the math that going to get a $150k degree for a job that starts at $39k/yr that doesn’t have a lot of career progression or very limited high-paying positions might not be a good idea.

    Nobody cares which college you went to or how exclusive it was, unless you’re getting a job in a field that compares dicks over what school you went to like high finance, or maybe something like a lawyer or physician could open doors at more exclusive institutions. For the rest of us, finding the least expensive college that will offer a decent education should be the mark. After your first industry job, that’s all anyone cares about. Work experience. Same for going to a trade school - which is a perfectly valid choice if the field you’re interested would be better served by going to one.

    Don’t just go to college because that’s magically supposed to make things better. It doesn’t. It needs to be a well planned decision with real possibility of career progression at a pace you can realistically hope to make decent money in to pay back any loans and have an improving lifestyle.

    I’ll offer that my experience was going to college handily landed me my first two jobs in my industry, however it took over 20 years of working in my industry before I started making enough money to have anything remotely called a “lifestyle”. Unless you’re well-connected and well heeled headed into an industry with crazy starting pay, you’re not gonna just buy all the toys on day one. Most of us are going to take many years before getting comfortable or even treading water.

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      They have you advocating for the devil instead of wanting a better system.

      Nobody should pay money for education. The government should finance schools directly as public services like most civilized countries.

      It’s completely unreasonable to expect literal children to do future cost benefit analysis and gamble with their degrees. And it’s not really acceptable to hold individuals who made these choices as children responsible when systemic changes are required to fix the systemic issues.

      Tying min wage to inflation would also fix these wage issues.

      But tbh nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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        I’m not arguing for anything, I’m stating how the system works and that college should be a careful consideration and not necessarily a default. Nobody was arguing the position you’re taking. Yes, education should be free, I’m all for it, and cost/benefit is exactly the hurdle that I stated should be considered based on the criteria I mentioned. Until school is free and easy to attend, this is the hand we’re dealt.

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          Cool we all know how the system works, you saying it when it’s not needed implies you are supporting and reinforcing it.

          You are implying you agree with it by playing devils advocate.

          And that’s conditioning to prevent solutions to probems.

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    There are certain degree paths where it will net you a specific career path. The healthcare field is very particular about the specific degree/certification/licensure you have. In that regard, schooling makes sense for those.

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    You are talking about the outcome being pointless, but I’d go further and say that the process of completing college is bullshit as well.

    Forced to live in shoebox dorm room for the first year or more in many colleges, being given lectures that are quite simply shit the majority of the time - to the point that it was the norm to just stop attending lectures and basically just self-teach yourself the textbook - and often taking tests that fail to actually meaningfully test your comprehension of the subject. Then you leave, and quite often you completely forget a large portion of what you studied as you enter the job market and never have to apply that knowledge again.

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    University in my country for CS cost me boutish US$250 per six months, and this included a nearly state wide ticket for public transport and heavily subsidized good at the student cafeteria.

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    I learnt lots at university, and that has been useful at work, but the degree itself doesn’t seem to matter much. But I’m in tech, and Europe, and university was publicly funded

    American universities keep raising the prices and people keep paying. There’s no reason for it to cost that much, beyond profits

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      Have you even seen the bullshit job listings in the USA?

      5 years experience required for a programming language that had only even existed for 2 years comes to mind. Even the language developer wouldn’t qualify for the job. 🤦‍♂️

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        5 years experience required for a programming language that had only even existed for 2 years

        If this is the level of bullshit on the job listing, do you actually want that job?

        If yes: if they’re bullshitting, why don’t you?

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          I have soldering experience going back ~25 years. Why bullshit on a new language rather than just go in with examples of my soldering and electronics skills?

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            To me, that job listing is a red flag and I’d not want to have that job if the bullshit is starting before I even apply. It’s probably only going to get worse if that’s the start.

            If I really did want the job, and I knew they were outright bullshitting, I’d not feel bad about bullshitting them back.