Summary
Key leaders of the “Abandon Harris” movement, which encouraged voters to oppose Kamala Harris due to U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war, are now expressing unease about Trump’s incoming administration.
Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.
However, concerns are growing over his Cabinet picks, such as Mike Huckabee and Tulsi Gabbard, which some see as troubling for Muslim communities.
I voted for Harris. I voted for Biden. I voted for Clinton.
I still wouldn’t warn a single one of them if they were about to get hit by a bus.
Its harm reduction. They don’t solve anything. They just keep us treading water sinking slowly whereas Republicans start taking a hammer to the hull to open up new holes.
I voted for Harris. I voted for Biden. I voted for Clinton.
I still wouldn’t warn a single one of them if they were about to get hit by a bus.
American Democracy in a nutshell. You get two choices, they’re both awful for different reasons. One of them wants to see you executed for your religious beliefs/sexual preferences/nation of origin. The other is continent to sell bunker buster bombs to some raving psychotic mass murderers overseas. Nobody is going to do shit about climate change, though, so we’re all on the clock in the long run.
Its harm reduction.
It increasingly feels like the closest thing to harm reduction the US achieved was the time Trump fucked up his COVID response and a bunch of his senior leadership choked to death on their own lung fluid.
There was roughly 20 different elected positions on my ballot.
The real problem with American politics is everyone is so focused on the POTUS that they ignore the politicians who have an actual measurable effect on their quality of life.
I challenge anyone to look up your local town hall and see when the next city council meeting is. Go to it and see what they talk about and vote on. Notice the other people who go.
Many cities have public meetings for police oversite too. They’re even less attended than city council meetings
I challenge anyone to look up your local town hall and see when the next city council meeting is. Go to it and see what they talk about and vote on. Notice the other people who go.
I’ve been to a few city council meetings. When you’re there as part of an organization lobbying for a particular policy, you can at least see the terms of the debate and understand who to lobby, what the blockades are, and why a seemingly good-idea isn’t getting through. But if you’re just sitting in on meetings, its like tuning into CSPAN at a random point in the day. You’ve got no historical context. You don’t know who you’re listening to or why they’re talking. And there’s a ton of maneuvering going on behind the scenes that you can’t glimpse because you’re not really a part of it.
Add to the problem, a lot of people aren’t really wedded to their communities. I live in a neighborhood in which people move in and out every five years or so, chasing a better job or looking for better schools or trying to find more garage space for their giant cars or cashing out on a sudden jump in their home price. Trying to get them engaged in a fight over the ten-year-plan for mass transit is basically impossible because most of them won’t be here in ten years.
I don’t say this to discourage anyone from going. But this isn’t something you can just bootstrap your way into. You really need a community of more knowledgeable and engaged people to introduce you to what is going on and why. Otherwise, you’re just listening to a couple of people argue over the preferred way to renovate municipal drainage on the opposite side of town for an hour.
I gotta keep moving because my rent keeps going up. Let’s hope I find that cheaper basement
Another massive problem is the voting system which could barely be designed better for forcing a two party system on you. There is no room for someone getting 30% of the vote and of course they should then have about that much influence.
American Democracy in a nutshell. You get two choices, they’re both awful…
The democratic process doesn’t start on election day.
Yeah, it starts when someone has a billion dollars and wants to influence government.
10 million Democrats x $100/each - $1 billion
People are more powerful than they think.
I’m not giving another dime to the Democratic Party so it’s more like 9,999,999 Democrats.
I wouldn’t even be in the party if we didn’t have closed primaries in my state.
fair enough.
1 million American leftists x $100 to Bernie Sanders or AOC in the primaries = $100 million
and
1 million American leftists x $100 to Green party = $100 million
I already donated a hundred bucks to Bernie.
It didn’t work.
Liberal democracy starts with the donors in a smoke-filled room and ends with one side complaining that the election was rigged.
It started well into the election cycle after Biden refused to honor his one term pledge.
No time for a primary now! Oops didn’t mean to! /$
First Past The Post voting has got to go, or else the USA is toast. A shame the democratic party believes themselves to be more important then the country itself.
Those are all neoliberals, nothing good would come of them being president, and the voting results speak for themselves. Neoliberalism wont work in this country anymore, if you want to beat republicans, elect progressives.
Same.
But there’s not enough willing to hold their noses for us to reliably win elections.
So it doesn’t make sense to blame anyone besides the people at the DNC actively stopping the type of candidates those people would love to vote for and instead cramming someone the majority of the party dislikes down our throats and hoping enough hold their noses.
Like, not even from a perspective of which policy is better, just on the basis of what wins elections…
Why isn’t the DNC backing the candidates who are most popular with Dem voters?
Why do they keep picking the ones that will get the most donations, then trying to use that money to build up to less than the support the popular candidate already had?
And why the fuck is anyone blaming anyone besides them?
And why the fuck is anyone blaming anyone besides them?
Because if the democrats can deflect blame (again) they don’t have to deliver the change obama promised all those years ago.
I have zero sympathy for those who only regret their vote for Trump now that his policies - which were always obvious - come back to haunt them personally.
HE SAID HE WAS GONNA
AND I DIDN’T THINK HE’D ACTUALLY
So did Harris.
Bryarr Misner, who worked as a campaign manager for the Abandon Harris campaign in Pittsburgh, admitted they voted for Trump, with NBC reporting, “He said the point of the Abandon Harris campaign was to punish the Democrats for supporting Israel during its war in Gaza, which the campaigners view as a genocide, and he hopes the Trump campaign will be more willing to negotiate with group leaders.”
This is a person that was only ever going to vote for trump. Dipshits up and down.
I mean Trump said what he has to say about Gaza. He supports Israel. This was before the election too. They have no excuse.
“Abandon Harris” movement, you mean half of Lemmy? Where are you clowns now?
Moscow. Same place they’ve always been. Just a lot less work to do now.
It was a lot of .ml which are CCP(China), not Moscow.
Yes. Putin must have had a stiffy ever since November.
Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.
😂🫵
Well, when you completely crush a region, what comes after could be called peace, I guess.
Y’know, you’ve got a point…
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I’m not disagreeing that leopards face an obesity epidemic but it’s also very interesting that to r image you posted has a “紅星新聞” (Chinese) or “Red Star News” watermark.
I would really love to be in the room with these idiots the moment they hear that Trump has signed the law that will arm Israel to the teeth and sanction them to exterminate every Muslim in Gaza. I want to see the terror and regret in their faces. Because this is what they have wrought.
But Kamala Harris had Liz Cheney on stage with her that one time!!!/s
Honestly that’s a whole other problem. The Democrats need to fucking stop courting the “moderate conservatives”. Those fucks will N E V E R vote for a Democrat over a Republican. No matter how godawful they are.
Gotcha, so the solution to that problem is putting the Republican in the White House anyway. I’m sure Dems sure showed them!
voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East
what
Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.
Dipshits
Way to go assholes. You fucked around and now we all get to find out.
Well, this is all very fucking stupid. WHAT THE FUCK did they think was going to be the outcome? Did they really think donvict was going to be better here?
🐆🍽👨🏻🦲
Unfortunately it boiled down to selecting the lesser of the two evils and the Abandon Harris clowns chose the neo-Nazi MAGAts which will send, for free, a nice assortment of 155 mm artillery shells to Israel… From my point of view, zero sympathy for your FAFO.
I’ll never understand how people could vote for Trump over Harris on the Israel thing.
Trump was crystal clear he would give Israel whatever they needed to get it done and quick. Democrats rolled over for Israel but at least made it known they weren’t happy about it. Which is most certainly not enough but still.
I just hope the Democratic party takes the hint that their extremely middle-of-the-road approach to these and many other serious problems is killing them during elections. They should stop trying to please everyone (and especially the far-right) and commit to an actual opposing viewpoint.
The Democratic Party is not trying to please everyone. They’re answering to their owner’s commands and campaigning to voters in ways that don’t offend their owner’s demands.
No Trump lied he would bring peace. Harris said she would give Israel everything it needs. You are switching the sides around.
Yep. They’re getting exactly what they voted for, whether they like it or not. They might not have liked Harris’ limp wristed attempts at encouraging moderation and restraint, but Trump’s plan was to “Finish the problem” and will not just enable, but actively encourage genocide.
