• finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    To be fair, Israel has also lost territory that they previously stole in large amounts on the Lebanon front.

    Most of the land they’ve gained was in Palestine, but the USA and UK probably didn’t recognize the Palestinian statehood anyways.

    The pedantic difference here is like the difference between increasing and strictly increasing.

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    3 months ago

    Indeed, WTF. The Native Americans would view the US westward expansion like AP’s headline about the shitstain Putin.

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      3 months ago

      You see, when a biased article about Russia and a biased article about Israel are really happy together…

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      3 months ago

      People should be able to live how they wish. They can be tankies and we can be what we want. If only the human race got way fucking high and chilled out over fighting for lines on a map.

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    Edit: Well, as horrifying as it is to see how shallow folks understanding of history is, no one is paying me to be online and screaming against tiktok or whatever isn’t that much fun. G’night y’all!

    Unpopular opinion but do folks honestly not understand how those borders shifted? Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews and yeah, Israel took part of their land in the counter offensives.

    If Ukraine kept Kursk, I can’t imagine we’d really be complaining?

    Basically, if you launch a surprise war I think you forfeit the right to be surprised or angry when your land gets taken.

    Edit: Jesus, are the downvoters confused like the response below and think this is talking about Oct 7 as opposed to say, the repeated wars that actually changed the borders? Does TikTok not cover modern history or what?

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        3 months ago

        I appreciate that! Honestly, it’s a little worrying how little historical context folks seem to have.

        Don’t know why I feel compelled to point it out other than being a glutton for punishment.

        Anyway, thanks!

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      Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews and yeah, Israel took part of their land in the counter offensives.

      Either your ignoring Israeli history older than the babies shot in Gaza, in which case you should finish your studies, or you think this applies throughout Israeli history, in which case you should start your studies.

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        3 months ago

        What on Earth?

        When do you think the Six Day or Yom Kippur wars happened?

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      “Unpopular opinion but do folks honestly not understand how those borders shifted? Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews” You can’t genuinely be this conceited. How about Israel’s “independence” which was a massive ethnic cleansing done by Jewish terrorists who were all non native from Europe and would avoid native Palestinan Jews because they found them “too weak” David Ben gurion the founder of Israeli was apart of it and was well aware what he was doing was colonisation. The stern gang and lehi group then became Israels army and government, with their teaching still very in place. https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/conflict-Palestine#%3A~%3Atext=The+main+terrorist+groups+were%2CFreedom+of+Israel)%20or%20LHI.)%20or%20LH

      https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

      It’s ironic how you use this projection about others getting their info from tiktok when come unsourced, arrogant and wrong, it’s impossible not to think you are brainwashed or an awful human being and uneducated. All of this is to say, Israel has a clear greater Israel plan even literally showing a map of Israel pre Oct 7 of them owning west bank and Gaza https://www.commondreams.org/news/netanyahu-map

      So suprise suprise when Israeli leaders talk about “claiming greater Israel” we gotta fight back and dismantle that nation. You and you’re people oppressed the Jews for 2 thousand years, to the middle east in 1930s the Jews were colonisers no different to the Brits acting with imperialist intentions with Israel capitalising on the holocaust to form some special protected minority status no other people on earth have even tho the Jews are ABSOLUTELY not the most victimised people in the planet or even they era of history. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241120-smotrich-has-confirmed-that-the-quest-for-greater-israel-is-real/ https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-paper-op-ed-claims-south-lebanon-northern-israel?amp

    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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      Hey dude, I just wanted to let you know there is an option in your settings so you don’t see upvotes or downvotes.

      Lemmy (AFAIK) doesn’t even show you your total upvotes (karma… whatever it’s called) by default either. None of these imaginary points fucking matter.

      So why don’t you do yourself a favor and uncheck these boxes and not give a fuck what others think about your comment.

      I know I have.

      (Lemmy is rad as fuck)

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        Oh neat, thanks for sharing!

        I don’t actually care about downvotes or upvotes for comments (for posts, I’m generally trying to make communities laugh, so I do like them there to refine my approach etc.)

        I’m more just… Well, it’s Lemmy, some of the replies are, uhhh, impressive and heartbreaking (not because they’re mean, it just makes me wonder about how we win a majority of votes while being associated with some goddamn crazy people.)

        Anyway, really appreciate you sharing this, I’ll probably use some of these settings!

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      3 months ago

      Lemmy is anti Israel at best and absurdly anti semitic at worst. Palestine is schrodinger’s country. It exists at the 47 borders, despite the inhabitants at the time rejecting those borders and losing several wars about it.

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        3 months ago

        lol at the people downvoting you. While other people in this thread argue that Israel should not exist. With the heavy implication certain people living in that territory should also stop existing.