Yeah, both sides amiright?

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          Weird how repeatedly calling for an immediate cease fire and a two state solution in Israel = “Harris genocide”.

          Removed for misinformation.

          March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas

          “Monday’s meeting in Washington, D.C., comes one day after Harris called for an immediate, temporary cease-fire in Gaza to facilitate an exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners and detainees. Harris is expected to continue pressing Israel to pause the fighting and allow more humanitarian aid into Gaza.”

          July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315

          “Vice President Kamala Harris met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in private Thursday and followed it with a strikingly forceful call on his government to get a cease-fire deal done and ease the suffering of civilians in Gaza.”

          September - https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/harris-calls-for-ceasefire-in-gaza-while-trump-claims-she-hates-israel--isokhfqmy6EgRGrUOSuK

          “Vice President Kamala Harris reiterated her call for a ceasefire-for-hostage deal in Gaza while expressing sympathy for both Israelis and Palestinians affected by the conflict. Harris condemned the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on southern Israel but said “far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” by Israel’s ongoing military offensive in Gaza.”

          Do you get something out of mis-representing what she said and did? Or were you just not actually paying attention?

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              As I’ve told multiple propagandists, the support for Israel was for proper Israeli defense, NOT the genocide.

              Nobody, not a single person, in the Biden Administration, delivered weapons with the explicit permission of “By all means, kill as many Palestinians as you want.”

              The Israelis misappropriated the weapons to do that.

              Feel free to blame Netanyahu and Likud for the genocide all you want, they are the ACTUAL perpetrators.

              You should be able to tell this because the genocide started 10/7 before a dime of US aid had been promised or delivered.

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                They’re still sending weapons. You can’t keep giving guns to a guy that keeps murdering people, and then say “I told him not to murder people it’s not my fault”. How would that hold up in court?

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                  As long as Israel is under threat from Iran and other forces, we will continue sending them weapons and support. That’s the entire stated reason for supporting them.

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                    And Israel keeps mass-murdering civilians with said weapons and the US govt knows it.

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        They’re pretending there was some other possibility besides Harris or Trump.

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          Exactly. For a country with as many mass shootings as we see we are a soft country. People strap bombs to their chest to achieve less toward their own goals. These brats think major change will happen in a year. The reality is that if you want major change you got to accept that it is unlikely to happen out life times.

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          Am I? If you don’t think we get more genocide with Trump you are willfully not paying attention.

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            Almost everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years. That happened entirely under Biden. Do you think Trump will kill them a second time?

            We all know Trump is objectively worse but your argument is terrible; it’s like the Americans saying we should overlook Bush’s atrocities like Abu Ghraib because Saddam Hussein was worse. No, that’s just a fallacy.

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              Your premise is based on this: "Almost everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years. "

              Which is clearly and obviously false. Check back with me on Jan 1.

              “Do you think Trump will kill them a second time?”

              The Trump administration will enable the complete erasure of the Palestinian people and their land. Huckabee has said as much already. Israelis have said as much too. I believe them.

              Finally, do you think nothing else matters? Do you think the consequences of a Trump administration beyond Palestine don’t matter? If so, I’d encourage you to spend less time virtue signaling and more time checking your privilege.

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                The UN has said it explicitly. Famine has taken place and aid is not allowed in. Biden withdrew his ultimatum and the Generals Plan is being implemented. But are you happy if only 70% of North Gazans died then man you sure showed me up.

                It’s no question Trump is worse for West Bank and Palestinian aspirations, because he’s only accelerating the same policy that Biden agreed to. In terms of Gaza there really is no difference; the four years of Biden was worse for their lives than 4 years of Trump. But you’re being offensive by saying I need to ignore the Palestinian people whose funerals I attended because Trump is going to do the same thing in a nastier way. You dismissing my community’s real pain as virtue signaling just shows how out of touch you are and why Harris lost. Listen for a change.

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                  If you want me to listen you should probably say something beyond vague platitudes and “your argument is terrible”.

                  What astounds me is that you expect me to be completely consumed with what’s important to you while you are completely dismissive of what’s important to me. As if somehow the ONLY issue that mattered in this election was the Palestinian people. As if every horrible horrible thing that is going to happen under Trump to American people has to take back seat to YOUR cause. That’s the definition of virtue signaling and it’s incredibly offensive to me.

                  Feel free to have the last word but I won’t engage with you further.

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                    Baloney, you never once suggested what’s important to you and dismissed my real pain and advocacy for my community as “virtue signaling” and then are mad that I say your argument IS terrible. You think you laid out a constructive argument? There’s nothing you’ve actually argued for except insults. Please learn how to discuss topics in a civil manner and come back to us in a few years.