• simplymath@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    The Dems could have forced a ceasefire. The Muslim contingent warned them months ago and polling very clear showed that a ceasefire would have likely changed the result in several critical swing states.

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      7 days ago

      Oh bullshit. The only way to get a ceasefire is for the Israeli people to force out Netanyahu. Nothing short of that or invading would make a difference.

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        7 days ago

        eh. kinda missing the point. they didn’t even try and the polling was clear-- this policy would lose the Dems the election.

        Also, South African dock workers have managed to organize and block the transfer of Israeli military goods through their ports. You telling me that South African port workers are more capable of following international law than the Us government? well, fuck it, how do I vote for them then?

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          7 days ago

          Israel has its own weapons industry. Not that it matters. The Palestinians are defenseless. They could use machetes and nothing would stop them except what I already pointed out.

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            7 days ago

            Yes, but they don’t have their own satellite constellation or nanometer chip forges and many of of their fancy weapons systems would be rendered useless by an Alibaba gps jammer.

            Granted, this wouldn’t do a whole lot for the IMU guided systems, but the US has literally been shooting down missiles in transit for a year when they fly towards Israel. you telling me that shit only works in one direction?

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        7 days ago

        They can’t bomb Gaza without american bombs or defend Tell Aviv without American GPS or or or or.

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          7 days ago

          You said:

          The Dems could have forced a ceasefire.

          I disagree, you are not world police.

          Now you say:

          They can’t bomb Gaza without american bombs

          To which I say: yes, but those two things are not the same, and your understanding of both geopolitics and Israel’s current armament is not as definitive as your confidence in their inability to commit atrocities without anyone’s assistance.

          Don’t be so reductive. The US is very important in the “mass slaughter” math here, no one’s trying to out-kill you, you can relax, but you’re not the whole picture.

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            7 days ago

            No. I’m saying the US had the technological capability to stop missiles from flying at all, the financial power to make life difficult for the Bibi regime, the political power to back the ICJ, and is in no way compelled to reprint IDF propaganda to sway the American electorate towards their pro-settler policies, but they failed on all counts. The US made Iranian nuclear refineries shake themselves apart, but US tech companies now build AI tools to aid the IDF in their campaign of total destruction.

            Maybe the ceasefire wouldn’t have been total, but the polls clearly showed that the lack of effort would (and did) cost them the election.