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  • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
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    I mean, this isn’t specific to capitalism. Pretty sure north Korea is similar.

    This is just baseline authoritarianism.

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      Pretty sure north Korea is similar.

      The NYPD has a bigger budget than the DPRK. And New York hasn’t been under siege by Pennsylvania for the last 80 years.

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        The NYPD is also not in constant famine, they’re one of the richest cities on the planet.

        That’s like being surprised rent is more expensive in midtown Manhattan than in rural Texas.

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          The NYPD is also not in constant famine, they’re one of the richest cities on the planet.

          Because they’re an international trading hub at the central of a global empire.

          North Korea is a bombed out backwater with more economic sanctions on it than Cuba, whose people spent the last 70 years gradually rebuilding after the US literally bombed them back to the stone age.

          Even then, NYers are getting shot over proximity to fare evasion. Korea’s rough, but I’ve yet to hear of anyone executed for failing to pay for a bus ticket.

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            I’m not the one who made the comparison.

            Also, bombed out? They were a larger economy than sk at first, Kim IL sung did an OK job.

            But the problem with a hereditary monarchy is the fastest sperm is often the dumbest, as evidenced by his 2 moron heirs.

            But no, his hereditary dystopian dictatorship where people are reduced to eating grass and anyone who disagrees ends up in camps is still better than NYC, where we know about incidents like this which everyone agreed was horrific because we have freedom of speech.

            But please, go to North Korea right now and start talking shit about Lil Un, I’m curious how that will go.

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              They were a larger economy than sk at first

              They were a larger economy after decades of domestic rebuilding, while SK was left to languish under a brutal right-wing military dictator. Then the US transitioned the SK economy into a tech manufacturing hub and granted a handful of influential families access to the limitless low-interst credit window of the Federal Reserve. The South became a workhouse for the American retail electronics market, where Korean workers got paid pennies to work long hours in dark warehouses to make low-cost bobbles for their western peers. This allowed these six influential families to go on a construction bonanza using the leverage afforded from foreign export revenues. Cheap steel from China combined with the fossil fuels imported from Russia and the Middle East, allowed the SK economy to soar past its heavily sanctioned NK peer… on paper.

              But the real legacy of the Korean economy for its people enormous entrenched personal debts. The South Korean economy is a product of cheap foreign lending. Household indebtedness to gross disposable income ratio in South Korea from 2012 to 2022 has grown from 152% to 203%.

              South Korea’s prosperity is entirely predicated on its continued access to cheap credit and cheap foreign commodities imports. North Korea’s stalled growth is a consequence of its embargo, the continued need to deter a large military presence on its southern border, and its need to build and maintain an economy entirely within one half of a small peninsula.

              But please, go to North Korea right now and start talking shit about Lil Un

              Please go to your local police department and start screaming obscenities at whomever is on duty.

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    you don’t like cops, because they take a lot of resources for mostly nothing

    I hate cops because I’m an anarchist and think the state shouldn’t have a monopoly on violence

    we’re not the same

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    I don’t understand here.

    Back in my old time, cafeteria food was also shit, so everybody was bringing their lunch (a sandwich, some fruits, a little boxed juice) and we called a day.

    Is that piece of bread and rice (rice right?) and the piece of brown chicken we are seeing in the corner (badly cut out of the picture for more dramatic effect) free of charge? If so, what are you complaining about? If not, why don’t you bring your god damn sandwich like it has always been?

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      If so, what are you complaining about?

      I believe their argument was something along the lines of: 1. Over-funded police. 2. Underfunded child care.

      Your argument seems to be, and correct me if I’m wrong: It’s always been shit, and you [sic] can bring your own lunch.

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    Tbh, the way schools run is more akin to communism than capitalism. That food is trash because the school cafeteria isn’t competing with anyone else.

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      The food is trash because its supplied by a competitive process that try’s to minimise cost.

      Cafeteria competes with other prospective suppliers of cafeterias, but the children have no agency in who supplies that cafeteria. Only the local authority or whoever runs the school gets to choose.

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        Minimizing cost doesn’t work in a competitive environment because everyone will go to the competition that makes better stuff. The children have no agency to pick a different cafeteria.

        You’re smoking the bad stuff dude. Quit picking sides and start looking at the mechanisms.

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          then why are companies in all industries reducing cost?

          It’s to maximise profit, which is the goal of every company, also the consumer of a product is not necesarily the one who pays for it, there are enough catering services that provide high quality food, but the reason the cheapest is chosen is, because in the example of school lunches both, the service provider and customer are trying to minimise cost, the company in order to increase profits and the school/city because they’re underfunded

          • Mango@lemmy.world
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            You think you’re gonna make a lot of money producing garbage? Who’s going to buy it? Maybe communist schools where the people in charge don’t have to eat it.

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              no, actually underfunded capitalist schools, that are lead like a company and not like an educational institution

              remember, the less money the city has to spend on school lunches the more they can overfund their police

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                You’re mislabeling. Public schools are government funded and centrally administrated. That’s communism, boi.

                The private schools in the other hand, are doing very well. It’s just a shame that not everyone can afford them.

                Police are definitely over funded. I’m not arguing about that. It’s just that literally nothing our government does is actually capitalism.

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                  Public schools are government funded and centrally administrated. That’s communism, boi.

                  Nope, that’s one of the most basic functions of any form of government.

                  Not anarcho-capitalism ≠ communism.

                  YOU are the one mislabeling, to the point of absurdity.

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              You think you’re gonna make a lot of money producing garbage? Who’s going to buy it?

              As always, the people either given no other choice or no other choice that they can afford. In other words, tens of millions of people.

              Maybe communist schools where the people in charge don’t have to eat it.

              You DO know that school lunches are for the children only, right? And that the ones selecting suppliers aren’t actually children? Please tell me that you’re able to comprehend that through the fog of neo-McCarthyist delirium…

      • Mango@lemmy.world
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        Yes. You don’t choose which school you go to. That’s decided by where you live. There is no competition, and you’re not paying to go. Funding comes from government and decisions are made by centralized authority. Communism. Everything about it is communism.

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          Show me you have no idea what communism nor public schools are in a paragraph! Mission failed successfully!

          • Mango@lemmy.world
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            Who TF do you think you’re fooling? You already know you’re wrong and just pushing some bullshit. This isn’t a matter of style, but means of funding. Wtf do you even want? Dig your heels in and stack your fallacies as high as the moon and at the end of the day that’s all you have.

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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      American school lunches are the perfect metaphor for laissez faire capitalism, actually:

      they used to be much better, but due to a combination of deregulation and maximizing for profits over quality of living for the general population, they’ve gradually declined to the point that it’s only due to the heroic efforts of severely overworked and underpaid workers that they’re even edible and nonpoisonous.

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      Oh yes I forgot bidding out contracts to multiple suppliers that are private companies is … Communism?

      It’s literally a failing of capitalism (cheapest bidder usually wins the contract) that the lunches aren’t better. Be mad about it if you want to, we all should be, there are absolutely problems with school lunches in many districts.

      Now you could talk about how there isn’t a lot of competition and there are monopolies like Sysco in the food service industry, but still the suppliers for school lunches are privately owned companies in the USA.

      • Mango@lemmy.world
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        When the bidding process is “whoever goes lower”, there’s no customer decision making. That’s not capitalism. That’s a simple rule.

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          Dude … Yeah the customer is the school and the decision is to go with a lower bidder, usually. It depends on the factors the customer, in this case a school system, wants to prioritize and any rules and regulations around it.

          You’re just playing at semantics at this point.

          Like it or not this is a private market we’re talking about. Also, I’d challenge the notion that private schools automatically have better cafeterias than public ones. It very much depends on school funding and what they can budget for.

          Most educators would prefer better school lunches but the money has to come from somewhere and the way we find schools in the USA by using mostly property taxes, in most states, really causes a lot of inequality. So there is a give and take, like everything else.

          At the end of the day a lot of the guidelines boil down to x calories consisting of something that has XYZ nutrients (vitamins/minerals). Whether that’s a slice of nutra-loaf or an actual meal is up to who is implementing the guidelines and the money they have.

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              “The school” is still the customer. They are staffing the cafeteria and paying it with their money. If they don’t achieve expectations they are fired or their contract isn’t renewed and “the school” pays someone else to do the job.

              Like it or not. This is still capitalism.

              • Mango@lemmy.world
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                “The school” is deciding for the children. Authority choosing for me is communism.

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              Alright well now you’re just trolling or maybe you were all along. Or you’re honestly that dumb.