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People have to hope Harris willing to change her mind after praising Dick Cheney and ass kissing Israel every time she is near a mic. I don’t see that happening at all.
The difference is that even if Harris continues the policies of the Biden administration, the American citizens should feel safe enough to protest those policies and maybe something will change?
Under a trump administration the idea of people being able to protest safely is less certain.
“The American citizens should feel safe enough to ignore the issue because they are not impacted by it”.
Protesting is becoming more criminalized under this admin. We just witnessed state violence against college students and protesters are getting hit with Rico charges. I wouldn’t say they are more safe protesting under either admin.
You’re right there has been some shitty things happening to protestors that for the most part have shown great restraint with the way they’re protesting. But an honest question, is this a feature of the Biden administration or are the crack downs happening at a more local level?
Because what I have seen and heard about from trump and his lessor demons is the desire to make protests illegal on a Federal level and to uphold that idea with state sponsored violence.
There is an argument to be made that Biden, as President to all Americans, should be making a statement to condemn these violent acts against mostly peaceful protestors at the very least and I have not seen that from him which is disappointing. But yet he and his administration have not in any way pushed for legislation to outlaw the protests. Nor has he tried to coerce the media from reporting on it. I don’t have faith that a trump administration would do that.
I also understand why people are frustrated that the best we have is “well we will let you protest (with a little violence), but we will not really listen to you.” But at least we get to stay on the path of democracy and hopefully there can be better candidates that can start to shift the focus in a different, better direction. As much as people want big changes to happen right now, unfortunately the country is too big and too entrenched for that to be reality. BUT it can change if we can keep it from becoming a dictatorship.
The fact that so many people refuse to recognize the chilling effect and implicit threat of AIPAC in the context of the election vis a vis “what you say about supporting Israel” continues to baffle me. Like, if any candidate says anything sharply critical of Israel, they’ll take their dump truck of money and just give it to the other candidate. That’s the game. That’s it.
Being reticent/“status quo” about Israel in the context of the campaign is (tragically, but also directly due to Citizens United and effectively uncontrolled political spending) is the best play here, and I hope her actual policy is materially different from the status quo. But I recognize she simply can’t say that unless she wants to score a campaign finance own-goal on herself.
The fact that so many people refuse to recognize the chilling effect and implicit threat of AIPAC in the context of the election vis a vis “what you say about supporting Israel” continues to baffle me.
Oh, we’re not. We see that the centrist wing of the party is fucking delighted to support genocide in exchange for AIPAC shoveling money at centrist challengers to progressive incumbents.
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Some speakers on Thursday’s call with Walz made it clear that their support for Harris comes with reservations, with one prominent Muslim Democrat saying voting for her was the “least bad thing.”
Surely there will be no negative effect on turnout from forcing people into picking the “least bad” option. Very safe and sensible strategy.
Every election is the least bad option every time. Anyone who thinks different lives in a fantasy world. Real life always disappoints.
This is genocide, not just healthcare policy or something
Centrists successfully fought against the public option but refuse to oppose genocide.
I also particularly enjoy the insinuation that expecting a candidate to oppose or at least not actively support genocide is “living in a fantasy world.”
I remember back not that long ago when any democrat would have proudly told you that they would never support genocide under any circumstances. For some of them it turns out there’s a clause of “unless our ally is doing it and there’s an election coming up”
Yes, they would have told you that. But when it came down to it they’d prevaricate and allow it. Just like drone strikes. Or the Iraq War, which most of the Democrats supported.
I’m not happy about it, but reality has disappointed me way, way too many times to expect anything better.
The fact that we need a government at all is a failure of our species IMHO. We can’t be trusted not to be assholes.
Agree 100%. It’s sad
This is America. Genocide has been our policy for hundreds of years.
Its going to take hundreds of elections to vote your way away from the genocide country, founded by genocide, built by genocide and stopping them from participating in genocide. You’d have to run the pro genocide people out of every dime they have by supporting their opponents. And they’re spending money to defeat democrats right now.
A general strike could do it sooner, but it would be brutal, painful and require a level of solidarity above and beyond lecturing people on an online forum
Also Tim: the expansion of Israel is a fundamental necessity
