I don’t think the audience Vance’s message is supposed to resonate with cares about being fact-checked, or facts in general.
Trump doesn’t care if he’s being fact-checked because facts don’t matter to him, and his voters have the same outlook.
Facts are a variable to some. These types are always trying to bend things around and back peddling when they encounter a situation that they can’t lie their way out of. Fact checking is to them unfair since their made up facts/lies should be okay as far as they are concerned.
I wish Walz did better at calling out ALL of Vance’s bullshit. Vance said, “we as republicans need to do better to earn your trust on bodily autonomy.”
It doesn’t take much effort to say bullshit. If you want to have more trust, then don’t get rid of the only thing protecting women’s bodies!
Honestly to me Walz looked so exasperated/disappointed that he was dealing with such a dumbass and his followers.
I got that feeling too. He was in shock a few times.
I still find the fact that the ultra auth-left instance hexbear.net is the most republican instance on the entire fediverse extremely amusing
It’s always matter of time before some radical nationalists and radical socialists talk to each other, come to the realization that they actually have a lot in common and then decide to work together in a single nationalist socialist organisation. The inevitable backstabbing comes later.
Edit: I had written national instead of nationalist.
Hexbear… Authoritarian… Can I have whatever drugs you are taking?
as an anarchist I can say one thing: they don’t like anarchists
also they’re stateist and all stateists are authoritarian, why do you think they defend russia and china in online arguments?
This needs to be a billboard.
EEEEEEVERYWHEEEERE!
I’m no fan of Vance, but if you’re going to put Walz’s office in there, you have to include it for both of them.
Couch Fucker JD Vance
Couchfucker Jeffery Dahmer Vance
I don’t know that owning Vance Refrigeration comes with a title.
What line of work are you in, Bob?
Everyone look out, it’s the fucking meme police lmao. 🚨
Every time republicans mention mental illness in this country ask them if they are just scapegoating or how much money they would be willing to put down in the budget to ensure everyone had access to mental healthcare
Sadly, both will resonate equally with their bases. Although I think they Walz had a better performance, I don’t think this debate changed anything.
According to the numbers, it didn’t.
To be fair, if we think about the bigger picture and not just abortion, unless US States disappear then people’s rights will continue to vary quite a bit depending on their geographical location in the same country, including their body autonomy…
But the federal government is allowed to say “Alright, this is the baseline for rights. Go from there.”
That’s a minimum though, some States will offer just the minimum, others will offer much more
I think the argument is there’s a baseline that should not be up for debate. But some states should be able to offer different beyond the baseline. For example, presume that the federal government lacks the will to provide universal health care, it still should be quite reasonable for states to provide it, should they feel they have the ability and the will.
And then it comes back to what I said, unless States cease to exist and everything is administered at what is currently the federal level, rights will vary based on geographical location. I’m just pointing out that the language used doesn’t work based on that.
States rights have always been about allowing one group of people to have the power to oppress another group within a state and without federal intervention. It’s why Democrats tend to focus on federal policy and Republicans are obsessed with things like states or parental rights.
Picking up your point, I believe that reform should extend to the point of dissolving states and creating provinces instead, all under central government like nearly every country on earth.
Look at Canada, provinces don’t solve that issue either
“Facts are gay.” - some Republican.
The sad truth is that for nearly half of American, Vance’s statement would resonate with them.
