They don’t give a fuck about minimizing suffering, they gladly eat food grown by slaves, or overconsume things some communities rely on, or replace things made of leather with things made of plastic that’ll break down into microplastics. They force their shit into pets like cats who can’t thrive on a vegan diet. And that’s assuming they don’t just call you a nazi for even having a pet, or steal your pet from you so they can kill it. And ofc they’re just the most holier than thou pieces of shit anywhere, who think everyone who isn’t vegan is literally as bad as a fascist.
Yall are weird. Really weird. And you don’t have to be this harmful. Quit getting even more plastic shit, stop abusing pets, quit taking food from indigenous people who need it. You can minimize animal products without replacing them with even worse things, and failing to do so makes you just as much of an irredeemable fascist as the rest of us. Human suffering is not preferable to animal suffering. If you disagree, you are literally a sociopath
Also omnivores aren’t carnivores. I do eat meat but not mostly meat, I don’t think most people eat mostly meat. We are all eating a lot of the same food as vegan people. When my vegan daughter hosts dinner she serves things I make too. You aren’t going to get out of eating these slave grown vegetables by eating meat, unless you exclusively eat what you grow, forage, and hunt yourself.