"A new trend has emerged in American politics: The very youngest voters — 18-to-24-year-olds — say they’re more conservative than the cohort that’s just older,” according to the latest Harvard Youth Poll.
“This new trend — which is true for both genders and emerged only in the last few years — is especially pronounced with men.”
If you didn’t know this, you haven’t been paying attention. Right wing voices have gone hard at the young male demographic for years now. They’ve targeted kids in online games and social media, and groomed them for years all with the goal of shaping their world view and by extension, their politics. Lonely young guys looking at people who present themselves as successful, rich, and rolling in women, not giving a fuck about anyone but themselves, telling young boys that they just need to be more sexist and racist and that’ll get them laid and make them feel fulfilled. Telling them that the world is wrong and they’re not. It’s been extremely successful, and all wide out in the open. That’s why voices like Andrew Tate made it into the public zeitgeist.
Frankly, it’s an absolute failing on all of the left for being completely unable or unwilling to see this or show an alternative world view. Too often, when I hear people talk about young white men’s issues, I get crocodile tears from everyone who can’t separate them from actual right wing provocateurs.
Don’t forget Gamergate.
I think the reason the left doesn’t hit back as hard is because it feels sort of strange to do so. It’s difficult to acknowledge at the emotional level that we’re really back to just fighting for the most fundamental basics of liberty, equality and pursuit of happiness. Especially given how the right co-opted talking about freedom in general a number of years ago. Do we really need to rewind our level of discourse all the way back to the 18th century though?
Well, if those are the principles that are under attack, perhaps we do.
I may get downvoted for this but I tend to downvote comments that lay everything right wing on boomers/olds. I’m nearly one myself, and most of my RL friends are boomer age lefties. Is Vance old? Is Loomer a boomer? Maga Mike, MTG, Boebert, at most Gen X, are leading the charge, and all the Patriot Front dudes are millennials and gen Z. If it were all boomers only we could just wait for them to die off, but it isn’t.
I didn’t know I accused boomers, or older people specifically, of anything. Did I do that? Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?
I’m agreeing with you
You’ve identified the problem many see, but what is the solution?
This demographic is notoriously hard to reach and the nature of its age and inexperience leads to having their priorities woefully out of whack and susceptible to shit like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate to Jordan Peterson. Asking or forcing them to watch Mr. Rogers isn’t going to cut it, if you know what I mean.
forcing them to watch Mr. Rogers
Saying the world is wrong is a very easy sell because a ton of society is wrong about a ton of things. Covid, minimum wage, appropriate level of corporate dark pattern prosecution (shoutout to world famous breath of fresh air lina khan).
The normal people need to be more proactive about starting with conservative grievances and exploring them more, because the trail leads straight to the billionaires symbolically, and a captured, subjugated set of laws, protections, and institutions that allow them to ever exist.
Systems thinking with as few big words as possible is good for everybody.
I wonder how much of a role tick tock and youtube could have had on this.
Incel dipshits that couldn’t get laid even if they had a 100 dollar bill sticking out of theirs pants.
Here’s the results from that youth poll the Axios article doesn’t mention:
The poll also finds:
A significant enthusiasm gap between young Democrats and Republicans, with 74% of young Democrats saying they will “definitely” vote, compared to 60% of young Republicans.
A widening gender gap, nearly doubling from 17 points in the Spring poll to 30 points now, with Harris leading 70% to 23% among likely female voters.
Harris outperforming Trump on key personal qualities and issues, with substantial leads in empathy (+33), relatability (+24), honesty (+22), climate change (+32), abortion (+31), health care (+26), and gun violence prevention (+25) among all young adults.
Harris’s job approval as Vice President has significantly improved, increasing from 32% in the Spring poll to 44% now.
Strong support for progressive policies among young Americans, with 74% favoring capping prescription drug prices and 59% supporting a nationwide law to legalize abortion.
Overwhelming rejection of Project 2025 among young Americans, with only 6% viewing it favorably compared to 48% unfavorably. Even among Republicans, we find 14% viewing it favorably and 23% unfavorably.
The impact of social media, with 53% of young adults encountering memes about Harris online in the last month, 34% of whom say it positively influenced their opinion. Conversely, 56% have seen memes about Trump, with 26% reporting a negative impact on their perception.
And yet because of the electoral college, it’s still dead even. Factor in the armed citizen (trump supporting) electoral monitors planning to patrol ballots on election day and other vote suppression tactics, disenrollment and other court disenfranchisement tactics, and laws being passed to try to legally not certify a Harris victory, I figure Harris is probably and a 45-55 underdog at the moment.
Young people still don’t vote at very high rates. They also tend to be the most likely demographic to say they are a likely voter but then not actually bother to vote. The youth vote is still a problem in this country.
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that young conservative “likely voters” were much more likely to actually vote, so that muddies some of the clarity here as well.
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Got a non-paywall version?
Firefox and noscript will get you almost any wapo article.
edit: article is worth the read.
Here’s a gifted version, I think it still asks you to login but it’s not paywalled
That was a fantastic read. Thank you for sharing that
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Wait… so the boomers aren’t the ones who’ll take country to dogshit? Now I’m confused - these kids need to get their message straight.
This is not that unexpected. There hasn’t been much excitement in the democratic party since 2016 when Sanders movement was stampled. Young voters are still progressive, but there has been no good ringbearer.
Reality check: The youngest age group still appears to favor liberal positions on some issues as much as those ages 25 to 29, Anil Cacodcar, the student chair of the Harvard Youth Poll, noted.
In a poll earlier this year, the younger group was just as likely to say basic health insurance is a human right and government should spend more to reduce poverty.
Good thing they don’t vote!
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“We’re not going to listen to you because you don’t vote.”
“Wait! Why are you voting for someone we don’t like?”
“What do you mean, ‘we should have listened’? We didn’t listen because you don’t vote!”
This is a dumb take. The artist doesn’t listen to the clay when he molds it. This is not about listening. It is about telling.
Impressionable young men being propagandized to. Manipulated to be political about topics they don’t understand.
Being fed lies that will hurt them and everyone around them the rest of their lives so someone can get their money and their votes.
They are not tapping these young men’s reality. They are creating it.
And meanwhile, the message they get from Democrats is “fuck off you don’t vote.” Who are then surprised when they fuck off.
The Democratic party should play to these young men’s insecurities, lie to them, and turn them against society am I right?
This is propaganda, psychological manipulation that the conservatives are using. Fear following into hate is a very effective tactic.
There is no effective counter because now you have to convince a incel they are wrong. People believe what they hear especially if you are using the best of psychology to fuck with them.
You really can’t fathom that treating young people with respect and listening to their concerns will keep them from falling for lies in the first place?
I guess courting anyone but decrepit old racist boomers is completely foreign to centrists, and it explains every last one of their policies.
You act like it is the Democratic parties responsibility to inoculate against all the problems the Republicans created.
The conservatives lost because the Democratic Party did their policies better than they could. They moved to the right and instead of trying to counter them the conservatives just went off the deep end.
I don’t feel sorry for them nor do I applaud the direction the Democratic party went.
You act like it is the Democratic parties responsibility to inoculate against all the problems the Republicans created.
I mean, if they want young people to vote for them, yeah. Of course, given their actions they don’t want young people to vote for them.
The conservatives lost because the Democratic Party did their policies better than they could
I mean, that’s great if your only objective is to move to the right. And in centrists’ case, it is.
I think we can pretty much agree on this.
