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    I know the comments are immediately filled by these assholes but I’m glad they are being down voted and OP is being up voted.

    Its so akward to engage with people like that… it’s like people supporting russia because ukraine is supported by america. 2 can be shit at once. Its not that hard.

    If isis starts attacking israel, that does not mean you need to support isis…

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    I just want to oppose Israeli genocide without saying that the “A Curse Upon The Jews” folks targeting random countries’ civilian shipping are kosher (ha) because they said they’re doing it for A Really Good Cause, Promise™, despite the utter lack of apparent effect on that cause, and dubious mechanisms for even its theoretical effect on that cause.

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        Israeli genocide? Or the Houthis having “A Curse Upon The Jews” on their flag?

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          The Houthis thing. The Israeli genocide is fairly straight forward to understand.

          Bonus: Apple spellcheck does its damnedest to not acknowledge the genocide. Someone should have words with Tim Apple.

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            They’re a very ‘colorful’ bunch.

            God is the Greatest

            Death to America

            Death to Israel

            A Curse Upon the Jews

            Victory to Islam

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              Yay. More religious wing nuts. Just what we need more of these days. 🙄

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    I was on the side of Houthis after being oppressed by American-backed, Saudi-led military forces. But now it became clear they are lackeys of Iran who attack innocent sailors, who have no dog in the geopolitical dick measuring contest.

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      Yeah. I was never on the side of the Houthis, but I considered our support for Saudi-backed murderers instead of Iranian-backed murderers to be utterly pointless, except negatively insofar as it involved us backing a bunch of vile fuckers in a conflict we had no business being in.

      Still wouldn’t support the Saudis if it were up to me. But now I certainly support retaliating against the Houthis until they stop attacking international civilian shipping.

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    Ideology aside, as geopolitical players they do kinda fuck compared to their peers. Constantly underestimated.

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    One can do a good action and a bad action at the same time. They can support a national liberation struggle and oppress their citizens at the same time. I don’t know why you’d have to make a final verdict, countries are not people you should hang out with. They are bureaucratic entities with interests that are a lot of the times opposite to those of the people. How about all counties are bad?

    Also I don’t understand why you would hold the poorest country in the world that was facing a genocide and the worst humanitarian crisis in earth 5-10 years ago by the Saudis and the US to the same social standards as the West. These people are hungry, poor, destroyed in every way and up until recently had to fight to gain their independence. Who do you expect to rule except for these Houthi fighters? If the west and the Saudis had let them live, then we could talk. I see this stupid take so often like with Afghanistan, it’s frustrating.

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      Who do you expect to rule except for these Houthi fighters?

      Holy fucking shit, please look into the history of the Yemeni Civil War. The idea of the Houthis as fighting for the independence of the Yemeni people is beyond absurd.

      That’s some “Who do you expect to rule except the Taliban” level take-

      I see this stupid take so often like with Afghanistan, it’s frustrating.

      … of course.

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        Once you realize that the reason they are not treating women equal is because they’ve been uneducated and starved to death by imperial powers to reach the point to have this government, and not because they are stupid or something, then we can talk. Oh and once you learn to read how I never said it’s acceptable, but rather that we can applaud them for one thing and condemn them for another.

        If you let them live for a couple of decades they will sort it out is the main idea.

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          Once you realize that the reason they are not treating women equal is because they’ve been uneducated and starved to death by imperial powers to reach the point to have this government

          It’s incredibly racist how you assume no agency on the part of anyone who isn’t white. But that seems to be par for the course for a certain section of the online left.

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            You are literally twisting my words to the point it is disgusting. I said the exact opposite, this is so toxic or your reading comprehension is very bad.

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      It’s insane how people lecturing others about how “the lesser evil is still evil, and evil is unacceptable” are going all in to lick the boots of a bigoted fascist theocracy that rules over its stretch of Yemen by naked force for attacking civilians unrelated to the cause they’re supposedly supporting.

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    I am very disturbed by mean words on a flag and a naval blockade in protest to an ongoing genocide.

    Hmmm

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      “Naval blockade” here meaning “attacking random civilian ships in international waters because they MIGHT be Jews”

      Yes, I am sure this is how a naval blockade against a particular country works, you just pick a handful of civilian ships at random to shoot at and claim they were secretly part of your enemies. War crimes are okay when it’s Your Side (and apparently, your side is the Islamofascists, very curious)

      EDIT: Of course, they’re a Tiananmen Square denier too. How predictable.

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          Being against Israel is not the one and only measure for whether a group is good or not

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            Stop doing a genocide.

            Stop blockading the genociders!

            You first.

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              Stop blockading the genociders!

              Yes, the genociders like [checks notes] Greece, China, and India.

              Maybe if you attack enough civilians, you’ll accidentally hit some Israelis. Keep going!

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                So how many innocent blockade runners have died vs innocent civilians been genocided?

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                  So how many innocent blockade runners have died vs innocent civilians been genocided?

                  I guess “Intentionally targeting civilians and committing war crimes is bad” sounds like radical shitlib stuff to you, as long as the people you claim to oppose (but are targeting and killing people entirely unrelated to them) are committing more war crimes.

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          Doing more to stop a genocide than the western powers sending weapons.

          “By killing Fillipino civilian sailors heading to Saudi Arabia, this will finally stop the genocide of Palestinians by Israel!”

          Have fun with your war crimes.

          How many war crimes on balance?

          ‘on balance’?

          What, is this some kind of fucking game to you? “They committed war crimes, so we can commit so war crimes too”? Jesus fucking Christ. How utterly morally bankrupt.

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              Somebody killing people doesn’t give you a right to kill random unrelated people, just because you are killing fewer people

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              “Whoever commits fewer war crimes is moral and whatever war crimes they did were good and justified.” Quite logical.