“After extensive consultation, discussion, and deliberation, the American Muslim 2024 Election Task Force has decided to encourage American Muslims to vote for any presidential candidate of their choosing who supports a permanent ceasefire in Gaza and a US arms embargo on the Israeli government, such as candidates Dr Jill Stein, Dr Cornel West or Chase Oliver,” read the statement, obtained by Middle East Eye.
The statement was written by the American Muslim 2024 Election Task Force, an umbrella group formed this year that consists of a number of prominent Muslim organisations including the political arms of Americans for Justice in Palestine (AJP), Cair, and the US Council of Muslim Organizations.
“We cannot endorse Vice President Kamala Harris’ candidacy because of her refusal to even consider imposing the arms embargo on the Israeli government required by US laws and her failure to promise any other changes whatsoever to President Biden’s failed policy of steadfast financial, diplomatic and military support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza,” the statement read.
And if they bleed away enough people from Harris, that guarantees a Trump win. A 3rd party cannot win. The only alternative to Harris is Trump.
You know, the guy who wants Israel to kill people faster:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
“They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
Who wants to revoke the citizenship from Americans:
https://www.aclu.org/documents/trump-administrations-plan-strip-citizenship-thousands-americans
Detain them in concentration camps:
And do the same thing to Mexico that Israel does to Lebanon:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon
Sounds like Harris needs to try to win back disaffected Muslim-Americans turned away by her promise to continue genocide.
Problem: She’s not advocating for continued genocide:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-face-black-journalists-questions-philadelphia-2024-09-17/
Speaking in Philadelphia to the National Association of Black Journalists, she called for a ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian Hamas militants, a two-state solution and Middle East stability in a way that does not empower Iran.
Repeatedly:
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc
She and President Biden are still pushing for a cease-fire deal that sees the hostages released, the fighting in Gaza to end and so “Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self determination.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0lx2xgn55o
Ms Harris said “far too many” civilians had been killed "yet again"and reiterated calls for a hostage deal and a ceasefire, echoing comments made by the White House.
None of that is “pro-genocide”.
No, Harris and the Biden administration are pretending to push for a ceasefire deal, and Harris is pretending to give a shit about Palestinian civilians. They could have stopped this at any time with a phone call; it’s been done before.
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You’re such a tiresome dumbass. Somehow I’m a “Russian account,” despite having been born, raised, and still living in the US.
You’re just a annoying troll.
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How do you achieve those things without a weapons embargo? Harris has said that there will never be an embargo.
She hasn’t even given the vaguest clue as to what her plan is. She’s just “working on it”. “24/7”, she says, and yet she somehow still has time to go to rallies.
To add insult to injury, the Democrats wouldn’t even allow a Palestinian-American to speak during their convention. They allowed a bunch of Republicans to speak, but not a single Palestinian-American Democrat.
I heard the speech that the Palestinian-American rep wanted to give. There was nothing in it that should’ve upset the DNC. It didn’t even mention an embargo!
If the Democrats keep spitting in your face, how long do you keep giving them your votes?
The Biden admin has corrupted “ceasefire” to mean “pause in the fighting to get the hostages back”. Biden has made a big show of cursing out Bibi on the phone and other performative bullshit, but he has not strayed from Israel’s side even as they’ve betrayed him and promoted Trump. Harris is the same, giving lip service to human rights activists and bombs to genociders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
What they are saying and what they are doing differ. Not only they are evil but they are also liars. They are lying to you too jordanlund.
Starts off saying Trump is worse and then turns to straight up lying and misinformation. Classic.
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Indeed. Only Democrats would be as hypocritical pretend to be pro-Palestine while actually advocating for the Genocide of Palestinians.
I think you’re confusing me with Nikki “Finish them” Haley and Donald J “King of Israel” Trump.
Everyone who disagrees with me that genocide is intolerable is actually a conspirator
Come on, say Russian bot, I’m almost there!
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They are equally pathetic statements. You can’t reconcile the idea of someone having a position to your left, so they must secretly be to your right!
This is a continuation of Biden’s genocidal policies, not a new promise to end the genocide. The DNC is losing heavily in optics, so they are trying to fight optics with empty promises while maintaning unending support for Israel’s “Right to Defend Itself.” If you have any knowledge of Israel’s existence as a settler-colonial apartheid state, or why the US will always support it, then you know that Harris’s promises are hollow and empty, and signify continued genocide.
Here’s a simple thought experiment: why has the US historically supported Israel, and how would that change?
And what about Trump winning is going to make that better? I don’t get it.
If you can’t understand how holding candidates accountable is important, then what else is there to tell you. This isn’t about Trump making anything better, it’s about withholding vote from a candidate that does not represent you.
Nothing. Harris won’t make it better either, both major candidates support genocide.
Ah yes. BoTh SIDes are completely the same. You’re not even slightly offended by calls to “Finish them” from the republicans? Written on an Israeli bomb?
They talk differently, but you have yet to identify how that is not also what Harris wants
Does it make the bomb stronger? If Harris cries when the next shipment goes, does it misfire?
Maybe democrats should’ve thought of that before participating in a genocide.
You know, the guy who wants Israel to kill people faster:
Biden sidestepped around congress twice to shovel guns and bombs to them faster than even the bloodthirsty Zionists in Congress could — who were already themselves bipartisanly moving to do the same. He 100% wanted Gazans wiped off the face of the earth before the elections hit. The only difference between them here is that Trump is being honest (dig that, your “lesser evil” is somehow being more duplicitous and dishonest than Donald Trump). You fixate on rhetoric and ignore tangible actions. Palestinians have said that both parties are the same for them. We can see it in policy. They’re the same for us in most cases, only difference being Trump doesn’t rely on working class margins to be given a mandate like the Democrats do.
Detain them in concentration camps:
So does Biden… In fact, so did Obama. In fact Obama was known amongst immigrant rights groups as the “Deporter-in-Chief” because of how draconian he was in both detainment and deportation policy. And Biden not only didn’t shut down the concentration camps, but deregulated them and allowed for and advertised with state money the private subcontracting of these concentration camps for private profit. Which is somehow worse than Trump was.
I wouldn’t use this talking point because this whole presidency and openly now in-campaign has seen Dems try actively to outflank the Republicans on the right of immigration. He issued an executive order to fully close the border, a thing that was egregious enough that the courts blocked it for Trump. But now that it’s Biden it’s okay by you? Where do your political standards lie? Unless you’re just ill-informed, it feels like you’re just concern-trolling. And like the refugees to Europe, they’re fleeing from the bipartisan destruction, terror, debt-crises, and chaos caused by US empire.
Who wants to revoke the citizenship from Americans:
That’s something he tried in 2018, and while bad, is not ‘unilaterally revoking citizenship of Americans’ like your non-description insinuates, but was the DHS forwarding more denaturalization cases than used to be to the DoJ, where the actual process takes place, as ICE intended to review a lot more cases. These institutions are bipartisanly this way, and we’re seeing how Biden is increasing this regardless. Besides, the scale of this 2018 thing was very small compared to things right now that you’re distracting from; like the current genocide, homicidal and violent and for-profit border policies stricter than even Trump, homicidal nuclear brinksmanship and proxy wars by the democrats which are much more impactful and serious. And besides, Obama also drone striked US citizens. And more US citizens are in bi-partisan-supported prison than any citizenry in any country in history, imprisoned with a profit incentive, where they are in cases legally (read the 13th amendment) worked as slaves in the mass-incarceration prison-industrial complex, whose architect and primary instigator was none other than Joe Biden and the Democrat Clinton administration of which this campaign, now replacement-headed by Top Cop Kamala Handcuffs is a continuing rightward legacy of.
Biden also, incidentally, helped create and push the Patriot act and has never stopped expanding funding and power to the DHS, ICE, NSA, CIA, FBI, Pentagon, etc. Kamala has no intention either, as Black organizers have been raided and burned out by the FBI on false ‘espionage act’ charges under Democrat governance. As anti-genocide protestors for Palestine are being violently repressed and arrested en masse and demonized or infantilized by Kamala, Dems and republicans, and corporate media. As poor people are being brutalized and arrested over $1.75 public transit costs in Democrat New York after the deployment of hundreds of cops to sit and watch turnstyles. As domestic workers are increasingly broken and lumpenized under the guns of of the ever-expanding fascistic police state set up and supported bipartisanly by the institutions and increasingly militarized under both parties. I mean Walz sent an army into Minneapolis to crush uprisings and to protect (mostly white-owned) property and institutions after the police murder of George Floyd, with the old “outside agitators” shtick.
And do the same thing to Mexico that Israel does to Lebanon:
This is incoherent; an empty comparison with surface level understanding (at most) about these nations and their situations. It’s also empty pandering by Trump and the most unhinged handful of Republicans who ride this kind of rhetoric (MTG, Graham, etc.). Trump’s not going to start a war with Mexico, and neither will the military establishment. Just like noone’s going to nuke Iran because the southern-belle-Holden-Bloodfeast that is Lindsay Graham slams his fist and hollers about it to rile up his base, This is a silly thing to get your underwear in knots over, especially when there’s real things you’re avoiding instead.
As far as actions: we’re closer to WW3 than ever, with Biden’s nuclear brinksmanship fueled by arms-dealers; we’re witnessing the most televized genocide in history, a continuation of bipartisan genocidal foreign policy
Biden in his first months of office to keep the region in chaos and suffering after everything they’ve done to keep it so for decades, straight up stole half of Afghanistan’s assets and crushed them with sanctions knowingly killing untellable tens of thousands of Afghan children and counting.
You fixate on rhetoric and ignore action, and by appeasement you serve to legitimize the “two party” charade for all the billionaire imperialist exploiters, racketeers, murderers, and liars who both parties are funded by, speak for, and work for.
V. I. Lenin “Political Parties in Russia”
To see what is what in the fight between the parties, one must not take words at their face value but must study the actual history of the parties, must study not so much what they say about themselves as their deeds, the way in which they go about solving various political problems, and their behaviour in matters affecting the vital interests of the various classes of society—landlords, capitalists, peasants, workers, etc.
The greater the degree of political liberty in a country and the more stable and democratic its representative institutions, the easier it is for the mass of the people to find its bearings in the fight between the parties and to learn politics, i.e., to expose the deception and find out the truth.
Did you forget that Biden isn’t on the ballot anymore?
Smart.
We should give trump another turn… that’ll be good for Muslims I bet.
Hey, bud, I’m betting the actual Muslims who are affected probably have a better grasp of the situation and their values and associated risks/benefits behind their own advocacy and politics than your (presumably highly privileged) disconnected-from-their-struggle self; and inserting yourself to belittle them as if you know better than they theymselfs what’s ‘good for them,’ is a very chauvinist and colonialist outlook and a reinforcement of white supremacist norms and attitudes. You should try listening rather than projecting and belittling.
None of that has anything to do with it.
This is the issue at hand: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
There’s a legitimate mathematical limitation on 3rd parties under first past the post voting, the way America does elections. Until we get ranked choice voting and the ability to vote intelligently that it would unlock, failing to vote for Kamala is voting for trump.
“failing to vote for Kamala is voting for trump.”
By that same logic a vote for Harris is a vote against Jill Stein or Cornel West. -I actually like the Green Party, the candidate, and associated policy I’m voting for. –If all you’re concerned about is voting against Trump, then can you honestly argue that you actually like Harris? -I’m betting your answer is ‘no’ seeing that out of ~12 candidates she ranked somewhere behind a wet-blanket in the 2020 Democrat primaries.
Unfortunately we have a 2 party system.
A or B
A sucks and B is much worse
Voting for C or abstaining is a passive endorsement of the greater of the two sucks.
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If you and the Muslim community want to hump for a third party, good, let’s fucken talk about getting that started…
The day AFTER Election Day. —
The day after election day. The day on which you no longer have any leverage.
Liberals and an inability to grasp electoralism. Name a more iconic duo.
Why would anyone who gets elected start catering when they are most unaccountable?
You want a seat at the table you don’t start at the top you start at the bottom.
Where is the Green Party for the three years preceding each presidential election cycle?
I don’t believe green voters expect them to win, nor is it possible to work your way up from the bottom in the US electoral system.
The two party system still allows voters to pressure politicians into appealing to them.
When the amount of people withholding their vote grows large enough, one of the two parties will cave to win over their vote. They cannot win an election on thin air.
The question now is whether this important swing-state voter group is appealing enough for Democrats to cave, or they believe they can beat Trump without them.
Did you just assume their religion?!? And nationality? And race?
Shut the fuck up.
They want Trump to get elected? Because this is how you get Trump elected.
Yeup. Who would’ve thought that supporting genocide would come back to bite you in the ass, huh?
BlueMAGA out in force against this article
Good, appeasement of BlueMAGA fash never works.
Will Gaza even be habitable in 50 yrs after Trump is elected when enough people vote third party?
My assumption is this is a negotiating tactic with the Harris campaign as no serious person believes a third party candidate will win, and if they actually believe Trump would be better for their cause they might as well endorse him.
Unfortunately Harris is in a tough spot. If she doesn’t remain vaguely aligned with the current admins policy on Gaza, she’s going to undermine whatever efforts are currently underway towards a cease-fire.
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Yall please report comments like this in the future (denigrating US Muslims for not being “enlightened” enough to vote for the party that’s bombing the Arab world).
Right, cuz she totally has a chance of winning. Yup
Let me just say to those who say voting for a third party candidate is a waste of a vote, it is not. Either way, the person who wins will see how many votes that candidate got, and will know that that is the way many people FEEL about a specific issue. Then they will have to cater to that view in someway.
Extremely naive, that doesn’t actually happen.
No? What has Biden’s position on the border or economy been? You really want to tell me the Biden Administration or its successors aren’t banking on that? Or that right now tfg isn’t avoiding the question about abortion, because his party members that ran against pro-choice lost in swing states like Arizona and Nevada?
Wrong, electoral college has you on rails in the U.S. there are no thirds and never have been.
WeLl AcKThUaLLy, Ross Perot got really close in the 1992 &1996 election and his views on taxing the wealthy to eleminate national debt were followed through by the Clinton administration, the last administration that had a surplus, not a deficit, that Al Gore wanted to put in a lockbox. But yeah, if it weren’t for the electoral college, Gore would have been elected, and we’d probably be better off rn
How many electoral votes did ole Ross get?
Since tankies thrive on open questions I will answer myself. 0 , H. Ross Perot got 0 electoral votes in his only full candidacy for president. That is the % chance that a third party candidate has in the U.S. For anyone not familiar with U.S. elections that wishes to chime in.
My point was that voting for a third party still makes your voice heard, regardless if your guy won or not. Even Bush jr had to acknowledge climate change, and the Biden administration is struggling with the border issue. An issue Republicans voted for… on a guy that lost. Their voice is still being heard, and represented even though their guy is running away from jail atm.
But since fascists like saying opposition to one party monopolies or duopolies is futile or the norm, I’ll say, it’s not. It’s the way a democracy should work. Many parties ruling instead of just one or two, people having their voices heard (not just old people).
So, you’re asking Democrats to make their voice heard and not vote Kamala. Who’s gonna be the one to answer then?
Put any spin you want on it, a vote against Kamala is a vote for Trump. Now shush you insipid tankie.
A vote is a vote, and why would you vote for a candidate you think wouldnt represent your values or you?
Your calling me a tankie is no different than Trump calling Kamala a Marxist.
Wrong again, you belong to this movement of voter suppression tactics and you’re showing that your anti- democratic arguments actually fall right in line with right wing vote suppression tactics . Keep using your shield of equivalency. I call it like I see it.
Feel free to check, I’ve been called y’all out since day one of the respectable Ms. Harris’s candidacy
Haaaaahahahhahaaaaahhaahahhaahahhaaahahahahhaaaaaa. That’s the funniest joke I’ve heard in a long time. I agree that neither Harris or Trump have the best interests of Palestinians at heart but Harris will make at least some saber rattling to try to stem the bloodshed vs Trump who will be happy to sell more weapons to anyone who wants to wipe Palestine off the map.
Harris will make at least some saber rattling to try to stem the bloodshed
Haaaaahahahhahaaaaahhaahahhaahahhaaahahahahhaaaaaa. That’s the funniest joke I’ve heard in a long time.
Selfish people
Yeah, just because their families and friends are getting killed. So selfish.