- Ukraine destroyed columns of waiting Russian soldiers with HIMARS, a Ukrainian commander said.
- He said Ukraine targeted them as soon as it got permission to use allied weapons across the border.
- Military experts say Ukraine’s ability to use Western-supplied weapons in Russia is aiding its fightback.
“So sad that the Ukrainian government cares so little about it’s people it is giving Russia an excuse to demolish Ukraine.”
- Some Israel Supporter, probably
I’m waiting for these wars to finally come full circle and for Israel to start selling Russia weapons it got from the United States on the cheap.
I wish they didn’t have to wait for things like this. It sucks that Ukraine is at the whims of other countries while it’s trying to fight to maintain its sovereignty.
That’s Putin’s doing. His bluff was strong and he had a big pile of material, so the West is using a Russia technique known as the salami slice method, by slowly escalating and gauging the reaction from Putin. It means no world war 3 scenario, no allies that have to come to his defense and also not letting Putin taking whatever he wants with just bluff and threatening speeches. It is costly in lives and material though.
Can’t make salami without grinding meat I guess. As dark as that sounds. I thank every soul who’s been fighting against that thugtatorship.
It makes me so depressed thinking about how many thousands of Ukrainian lives could’ve been saved by just giving Ukraine full and enthusiastic support immediately instead of dragging it out this long.
This was done on purpose so the crisis didn’t escalate. There’s no world police to prevent Russia from nuking everyone. It’s better for outside actors to focus on de-escalation anyway.
Also, Putin is not doing this because of Ukraine. I mean that’s part of it, but he is doing it for domestic appeal. He wants to appear tough to Russian citizens. Two situations allow that: beating Ukraine easily, and losing to NATO forces. He knows NATO will not risk invading Russia, so he’s in no real danger from the second one.
NATO is intentionally not intervening because it makes Putin look weak domestically. Russia has created their own problem and the war will not end until the people of Russia demand it.
The only thing that modern diplomacy teaches nation states today is that they need to get nukes as quickly as possible
Nukes are good, but in fact full arsenal, from home-produced small mortars to MRBMs, and a standing military. Actually, if possible, all the means of power projection the big guys have. Including even proxy militants. Because the big guys back up their words with the blood of the small guys anyway.
You’re speaking about the means of which to project military power on the ground with direct action, I’m talking about the nature of nuclear weapons as a deterrent and how that changes the way soft and hard power is applied.
Nukes make it so that no direct combat need ever take place, look at NK or the inverse where we are applying sanctions against Iran for a current parallel.
It requires very rigid discipline to threaten your enemy with MAD. The more tasks you can solve without testing your own faction’s discipline, the better. If every parking place argument gets to threats of nuking the opponent, because you can’t threaten anything else, either eventually you’ll have to use MAD for such a small cause, or you’ll step back on that and then there’ll be something a bit more important over which you’ll threaten MAD.
And so on, until MAD is in practice useless for you.
The language you are using reads like you’re discussing an RTS.
There’s no requirement for any rigid posture except maintaining control over said nuclear arms. Most of NK saber rattling is done to aquire aid and material. Merely having Nuclear arms and demonstrating that control and willingness to use them as a defensive measure is all that’s needed. Other countries and powers on the global stage will modify or attenuate their position based on the demonstration of said control
I suggest reading these to better understand my position.
No it doesn’t. The US especially has spent a ton of money building up countries it has defeated in war.
The prime minister decides that their only course of action is to declare war on the United States. Expecting a quick and total defeat (since their standing army is tiny and equipped with bows and arrows), the country confidently expects to rebuild itself through the largesse that the United States bestows on all its vanquished enemies
Yes it does, in direct reply to what you said
There’s no world police to prevent Russia from nuking everyone.
The only reason we’re slow rolling Ukraine is because Russia has nukes. Here’s a great study on it. https://assets.cambridge.org/97811071/06949/frontmatter/9781107106949_frontmatter.pdf
And we (the US) have so much support that we could be giving to them but we’re not. We’d rather enable genocide elsewhere.
The US has too many bases to defend simultaneously to engage with Russia directly. It would be the 18th Anglo-French Wars all over again but with the possibility of a spicy nuclear conclusion at any given moment.
Keeping the conflict contained to the Ukrainian theater means western states get to “bleed” Russia in a protracted conflict without drawing the rest of their assets into a firefight. But we’re already seeing the US/Russia conflict leak into the central African states, the Korean border, and recently the coast of Florida.
Americans don’t actually want this to become a full blown World War. That drives up our defensive costs significantly and skews the “Stupid Russians Lose Again” headlines with a bunch of “Brave NATO Soldiers Fucked By Insidious Russian Treachery” articles.
This is patently untrue, look to Syria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham or Africa https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-extra-troops-east-africa-sudan-evacuation-rcna80678 for examples of this. The US is able to project power globally in a way that Russia has tried to and simply cannot counter. https://www.usip.org/publications/2021/02/what-russias-endgame-syria or https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/5/24/how-russia-tried-to-colonise-africa-and-failed
Even Ukraine is projecting power in Sudan and Syria as a direct belligerent in opposition to Russian interest. https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sudan-syria-cnn-russians-1907835
The United States spends in a year, what the rest of the world spends in 1.2 years. https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison There is no historical analogue to the power of the United States military. Unfortunately, this is what we spend our money on instead of Universal Healthcare or our infrastructure, or our schools etc. etc.
This is patently untrue, look to Syria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khashamor
Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Battle of Khashamor in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.
shrug
The US is able to project power globally in a way that Russia has tried to and simply cannot counter.
Who can forget their famously successful efforts to project power into Afghanistan, Iraq, and Yemen.
Even Ukraine is projecting power in Sudan and Syria
In a report on Monday, the English-language Kyiv Post said it had obtained video from Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate (GUR) filmed in March
Listen, I know we’re all “Rah Rah Ukraine! Can’t wait till they’ve got boots on the ground in Moscow!” But you can’t seriously link to a fucking press briefing by the GUR as unbiased news.
The United States spends in a year, what the rest of the world spends in 1.2 years.
Yes, yes. This is why we can’t afford health care. Ye-haw.
But we spend all this money on an endless parade of Wall Street executive compensation packages. Nobody in Russia is getting paid a Boeing CEO’s salary to make aerospace equipment that strands folks on the IIS. And while Lockhead and Raytheon have made a mint selling the Pentagon loot boxes, the physical hardware we’ve produced still doesn’t seem capable of winning the fucking war.
There is no historical analogue to the power of the United States military.
There are numerous analogs. But none of them are particularly flattering.
“Destroyed"? Don’t you mean “killed” columns of Russian soldiers? Even if they are in the wrong, these are still lives that are lost, not some equipment.
In the military it’s common to talk about groups of soldiers the same way you talk about equipment. Because the crucial information isn’t their humanity, it’s their utility to the war effort. “Destroyed” is usually used to mean a unit is so broken it must be combined with other units and different militaries have different definitions of exactly how many casualties that takes.
Military experts say Ukraine’s ability to use Western-supplied weapons in Russia is aiding its fightback.
Wow, thank God for that expert analysis.
Good. Make Russian civilians see the horrors of the war they support personally.
Saw this video on my feed which uhhhhh NSFL (Death) https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1805588024803074447
Also lmao at everyone condemning Hamas but Russian civilians being targeted gets them cheering.
Russian civilians weren’t targeted, the missile was intercepted by russian air defense on its way to a military target. The shrapnel happened to fall on that beach.
Edit: If you’re thinking of holidaying in an active warzone, perhaps reconsider.
Last thing I remember yesterday many condemned Israel for announcing it’s land development program that is gossiped as planned on occupied territories. Today there were news of a shitbag minister who voiced a plan to take the West Bank under a military rule (and to convert it into profits?), and I don’t see many support to him there as well. Would it be too cynical to ask wtf these settlers would be doing there?
Condemning israel is like condemning Russia when they kill civilians. Rather easy. Of course people were praising israel initially but we’re past that.
The fun part is now the Ukrainan resistance is doing what the Palestinian resistance was doing and asking why people react so differently.
Where’s the fun part? I oversimplified this comparison because I felt you did so too.
It’s funny because you are still allowed to post these shit takes, but if you switched Hamas and Russia you’d be banned from .ml at light speed.
How close to the port is that beach?
How close to the military bases were those Kibbutzes?
What does the proximity of the kibbutzes to Israeli military bases have to do with anything? Did Hamas accidentally murder civilians in their homes while trying to go after legit targets?
“Oops, we missed the military base and accidentally cut this old guys head off with a garden hoe and machine gunned some families hiding in their homes! Honest mistake!”
The guy said “I hope Russian civilians see the horrors of war”
And using cluster munitions is banned. Did Ukraine oopsie a wrong rocket? Honest mistake!
And using cluster munitions is banned.
TFW you don’t know how treaties work
So if israel kills Palestinian civilians… first does Hamas get the right to kill israelis indiscriminately?
You don’t know how international law works. Cluster munitions are banned. But sure keep on defending civilians being killed. Just a very reasonable person on Lemmy defending the killing of Russian civilians after someone wishes they see the horrors of war.
Wuh-wuh-wuhddabout… Get a new tactic. That one is completely worn out at this point.
For our other readers, those missiles were intended for the military facilities nearby and were shot down by Russian AA and debris fell on the beach (hence the lack of explosions)
If the comment said “I hope israeli civilians see the horrors or war” I’m sure you would be just as generous with your thought process. Oh wait you’d be calling him straight up Genocidal.
There is no whataboutism cluster munitions are illegal and this is a war crime. This is not debris this is the ATACKMS filled with m74 bomblets.
Just be consistent in your morals. This is like someone defending Hamas gunning down non combatants.
cluster munitions are illegal
Well, depends on the country. For example, if you are in Ukraine or russia (and surprisingly, Finland) they are legal.
Hamas and israel said they killed no innocents so therefore it’s legal.
Assad uses nerve gas? That’s legal in Syria. Aint a crime if it’s legal! case closed everyone!
“Targeted”. (Likely just an intercepted missile)
They’re on a fucking beach, on illegally occupied land, during an active war. I’m pretty sure they knew the risk.
Play stupid games, grow 🌻
