• NateNate60@lemmy.world
    8·
    2 months ago

    I don’t have a problem with snaps as a technology. If you want to use them, then who am I to judge?

    But what I do have a problem with is when I don’t have a choice and I am being forced to use what the distro maintainers think is good for me. That is what finally made me quit Ubuntu and switch to Fedora.

      • Penta@lemmy.world
        31·
        2 months ago

        Well snap itself isn’t proprietary, the backend server distributing the snaps is.

    • InverseParallax@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      I do have a problem with them, the same problem was solved, better, with other technologies like appImage (which doesn’t litter your mount list with 100 meaningless entries).

      Even flatpak is better, snap is an also ran they’re trying to force on us without being as good as any of the competitors.

  • renzev@lemmy.world
    6·
    2 months ago

    One of my friends spent like a month distrohopping just to find a debian-based distro that fits these two criteria:

    • First-class support for KDE

    • Isn’t broken all the time

    Ubuntu fails both. KDE Neon excels on the first one, but fails harder than ubuntu on the second one. Kubuntu as well. Debian has horridly outdated packages, and he refuses to use nix/flatpak. Tuxedo OS is obscure and broken. Mint is great, but installing KDE takes some effort.

    He finally settled on Ubuntu Server with the native KDE package. Still has to do some weird incantations to banish snap tho.

    How did things get this bad?

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      3·
      2 months ago

      Why not try Void. It’s fairly up to date regarding all packages, including KDE and it’s rock solid.

      • renzev@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 months ago

        He really insists on debian-based, I don’t really know why. And, while Void IS really solid, it isn’t exactly known for the most expansive package collection. Xournal, for example, is not available through XBPS (there is a xournal package, but it just installs xournal++), which is one of the programs he likes a lot. I told him it’s on nix, but he doesn’t want to use nix.

        But I agree, Void is amazing, I use it on my laptop. One little-known cool feature of Void is that its official docker images come in busybox/musl libc, busybox/glibc, and coreutils/glibc variants, it gives you a nice scale from most minimalist to most compatible.

        • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          He could make his own templates for the packages… he doesn’t even have to rebuild. If he could at least find a .deb or .rpm package of the app/package he likes, he could use that and just repackage. That’s what I do for stuff I can’t find… and update them from time to time (like every few months or so).

    • Rolling Resistance@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 months ago

      When I used Mint, it felt like packages are outdated just like on Debian (based on Ubuntu LTS + needs time to rebase onto a new one).

  • mumblerfish@lemmy.world
    1·
    2 months ago

    Installed ubuntu on an rpi and firefox there ran snap. Was not very usable. Everything was so slow. Forcing an install of the dep package was the only way to use it. Not very well thought through bu cannonical.

    • renzev@lemmy.world
      11·
      2 months ago

      I like your comment a lot because you can substitute a lot of different things for “snap” and it still ends up sounding like a very reasonable opinion

      I feel like I would be more okay with leaded gasoline if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

      I feel like I would be more okay with anarcho-capitalism if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

      I feel like I would be more okay with PFAS-coated cookware if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

      I feel like I would be more okay with single-use plastic bags if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

      I feel like I would be more okay with cryptocurrencies if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

      I feel like I would be more okay with generative AI if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

      I feel like I would be more okay with eating highly processed meat if it didn’t still have a lot of very real flaws.

  • vala@lemmy.world
    1·
    2 months ago

    IMO the biggest issue with snaps in the sandboxing. Makes so many apps unusable for development.

  • President@sh.itjust.works
    0·
    2 months ago

    Wait… I’m just about to switch over to Linux on a laptop and was going to use Ubuntu. This looks kind of cursed though?

    • rtxn@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      Switching to Ubuntu is way, way better than staying on Windows.

      That being said, Ubuntu is maintained by the Canonical company, and they have made some really sus decisions in the past. Things like putting ads in the application launcher and then trying to gaslight people when the inevitable backlash arrived.

      The meme above refers to Canonical’s own Snap packaging format (think of it like UWP/Microsoft Store apps vs. “regular” Win32 apps), and the way they’re pushing for its adoption. Snap is installed by default on Ubuntu and official Ubuntu flavors. You can uninstall it manually, but Canonical has modified the APT package manager so that when an application is available as a Snap package, it automatically installs the Snap back-end and the application as a Snap package without notifying the user (instead of installing the .deb-packaged applications, which is what happens on all other distributions that use APT). Canonical recently also ordered that official Ubuntu flavors (which are maintained by independent groups) can’t include Flatpak, a universal packaging format that directly competes with Snap, in their default installations.

    • loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works
      0·
      2 months ago

      Tbf, Unbuntu works, but they’re ran by a company which has taken some questionable choice. You can still go with it if you don’t care to much, it has the advantages of being user friendly and well documented.

      If you’d rather not, but you want something not to far and equally easy, you can go with Linux Mint, which is based on Ubuntu but disables snaps. They also offer differently choices of desktop environments, the default being Cinnamon (which looks a bit more like windows), and another being Mate, which is closer to Gnome.

      They also have a “Debian Edition”, which aims to stop being dependant on Ubuntu and may or may not replace the default edition someday, but so far it’s not the one they recommend for new users.

    • InverseParallax@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      2 months ago

      It’s not as bad as it looks, especially if you aren’t hardcore, but for long-term linux users it’s not great.

      Debian has become what Ubuntu wanted to be: An easy, clean distribution that basically just works, which is a major reversal.

      Also consider fedora.

      But don’t be worried about Ubuntu, it’s still completely usable.

    • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      The AIO docker compose container is far better, and I’ve run Nextcloud in pretty much every installation path in the last decade, using baremetal, my own docker, snap, NCPi, and VMs. All of them have had issues with updating, backup and the host going sideways for some reason or another. The AIO has been flawless for far longer than any of them managed.

    • Pulsar@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 months ago

      You are 👍, nextcloud needs like 2 admin per each user. The snap version works fairly well even after a lot of virtualization layers. Proxmox -> Ubuntu LXC -> Snap -> Nextcloud

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      Windows is shit as well. It has 3 shells and you never know which one is the right one.

      Every OS has it’s pros and cons 🤷.