• ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.worldEnglish
    110·
    2 months ago

    “I better win or you’re gonna have problems like we’ve never had. We may have no country left,” Trump said at his weekend swing-state rally. “This may be our last election. You want to know the truth? People have said that. This could be our last election.”

    It’s always projection with him and his supporters.

    Side note: the thumbnail on this article has priceless meme potential.

  • CitizenKong@lemmy.world
    43·
    2 months ago

    Since 1930s Germany is mentioned, it also didn’t really work there. Hitler only won with 35 percent of the popular vote. So Trump in the US is already more popular as Hitler was then.

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      15·
      2 months ago

      That statement kind of elides the whole electoral and legislative structure of the Weimar Republic at the time, though. It was a parliamentary system (whose legislative body was - and was again, after the fall of the Third Reich - the Reichstag). So in point of fact, though the NSDAP (the Nazi Party) received a plurality of the votes in the WR’s last three elections, nobody “voted for Hitler”. So the analogy of political tribalism being leveraged by a fascist party with a fascist cult-of-personality head actually holds up a good bit better than the numbers you present here might lead one to assume.

      It’s fair to point out that the NSDAP sort of formed around Hitler, where as the GOP (“Weimar” Republicans? Might have to start using that as a sneaky jab in conversation, hah) was subsumed by Trumpism, but all he really did was to turn the quiet parts of their platform up to 11 and emphasize populist and tribal (not as in “First Nation”) sentiments. However, I’d argue that that makes the GOP/Trump combination a good bit more insidious than the NSDAP - especially considering how much the GOP loves to lean on the technically-true-but-deeply-misleading line of “we’re the party that ended slavery”, since it utterly ignores the ideological shift of the party over the intervening 160 or so years.

      Note: absolutely none of this should be construed in any way as Nazi apologia. It is simply a technical clarification on the system of government and the electoral and leadership-selection mechanics that existed in the Weimar Republic at the time, and my thoughts as to how that matches up with some parts of our current situation, in terms of the political analogies.

      • CitizenKong@lemmy.world
        6·
        2 months ago

        Absolutely correct, as a German it just irks me that the popular belief about Hitler Germany was that all Germans were in favour of it. Many very much weren’t, at least at the beginning before all media was turned into a pure propaganda apparatus.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        11·
        2 months ago

        France is a bit more analogous. The left had the most votes and Macron just appointed the conservatives to be Prime Minister.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    40·
    2 months ago

    Well, it made me turn off ad blockers then the ads crashed my tab.

    But it sounded like it’s republicans overacting and mad at democrats because we’re “letting” trump run instead of a candidate who would have a better chance to beat Kamala?

    They’re just jealous we dropped our geriatric candidate and they couldn’t.

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      72·
      2 months ago

      They’re just jealous we dropped our geriatric candidate and they couldn’t.

      to be honest the GOP lost the chance to be free of Trump when their senators refused to convict him after the Jan 6 impeachment.

      They could have been free of him. they could have put this party above their own personal power. but nope. They chose this. They chose him over america.

      They chose an insurrectionist asshole. a misogynist. a racist. a rapist. a bigot in every way. A geriatric fascist prick.

      which, all this besides, Trump could back out any time he wanted to. just like Biden did. But that also would put America before his own personal power.

      TL/DR:

      THEY DESERVE EACH OTHER

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        2 months ago

        I mean, they also could’ve convicted him after his first impeachment, too. Or they could’ve 25th’d him, or they could’ve not stacked the Federal judiciary with partisan traitors like Judge Cannon, or any number of things that would’ve entailed acting in good faith for the good of the country instead of blatantly trying to seize power at all costs. They had plenty of chances and rejected them all.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          2 months ago

          all of which happened before the Jan 6 impeachment and senate trial. They and him are the same.

      • rhombus@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        2 months ago

        to be honest the GOP lost the chance to be free of Trump when their senators refused to convict him after the Jan 6 impeachment.

        I think they lost their chance when he won in 2016. He has so thoroughly captured their base that ousting him would certainly lose them the next several elections, if they ever could fully recover. That’s not to say it’s not 100% on the GOP, he’s the consequence of decades of pandering to the far-right. I’m convinced they could have gotten rid of him before 2016 as well, but the conservatives thought they could control Hitler again and now he’s got them by the balls.

  • RickRussell_CA@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2421·
    2 months ago

    The relevant:

    “I better win or you’re gonna have problems like we’ve never had. We may have no country left,” Trump said at his weekend swing-state rally. “This may be our last election. You want to know the truth? People have said that. This could be our last election.”

    Eh. The article goes on to quote pundits who claim he’s threatening voters – that if he doesn’t win, he’s gonna do something to end democracy.

    Seems kind of overblown to me. First, Trump would have to do something (laugh) and second, this is normal posturing. If you elect the other person, it’s doom and gloom, if you elect me it’s 4 more years of good times. These folks would have watched LBJ’s Daisy and concluded that LBJ was planning to nuke the country if he didn’t win.

    People trying to make sense of Trump’s incomprehensible blather are always gonna come out looking silly.

    • acosmichippo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      96·
      2 months ago

      everyone is overcomplicating this imo. in the context of the last 3.5 years, clearly this is just trump saying democrats will “steal” every future election if he doesn’t win this year.

      • rayyy@lemmy.world
        8·
        2 months ago

        saying democrats will “steal” every future election

        It goes way beyond that. His threats are intended to evoke all sorts of emotions and fears - that’s why he keeps them so vague. An accomplished conman like him knows how to work his marks.