“You do, you know,” said The Lady. “Everyone has gods. You just don’t think they’re gods.”

- Terry Pratchett

  • MindTraveller@lemmy.caOP
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    5 months ago

    No, but most people do think of Reality as a god. But they don’t think He is a god. There’s an important distinction between thinking of one as something, and thinking one is something. One is conscious, the other is unconscious. People are perfectly capable of worshipping, praying to, and generally being religious towards someone they refuse to believe is a god.

    For example, the Corpus very clearly treat Parvos Granum as a god, despite maintaining he’s only a man. It’s a very obvious contradiction. He maintains false humility.

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      No, but most people do think of Reality as a god.

      But they don’t think He is a god

      These two statements directly contradict eachother. Either you think of Reality as a god, or you do not. If you don’t think reality is a god, then you don’t think “he” is a god (wow, the tautology was weird to type).

      Also, there are many examples of religious people who don’t think reality is a god. Deists, for example, believe that god showed up, made the universe, and left. Under that belief system, the deist god and the universe it created are two entirely separate things.

      There’s also pantheons, where gods exist within their own higher reality with their own set of rules, limitations and powers that interact with our reality. Reality (either ours or the supernatural plane in these belief systems) are clearly separate from the gods operating under these rules.

      People are perfectly capable of worshipping, praying to, and generally being religious towards someone they refuse to believe is a god.

      What’s your opinion on people who do neither? That don’t believe in a god and don’t pray to anything either?

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        5 months ago

        I said this to them above- I honestly cannot think of a way to define ‘reality’ as a god. The universe? Fine, that’s pantheism. But reality is an aspect of the universe, it isn’t the universe itself. Reality is just what we think is true. Truth is a god?

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          5 months ago

          There are plenty of new age wuwu types that do define reality as a god. If I thought they had any legitimacy I wouldn’t be an atheist, but the core idea is that we essentially exist as constructs within the imagination of this god.

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            5 months ago

            So basically simulation theory without the computer. Or I guess solipsism, but you’re not the one who exists.

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        5 months ago

        They don’t contradict. There’s a subtle difference, which is whether it’s conscious.

        Take Donald Trump worshippers, for example. They think he’s a god, but they won’t admit it, even to themselves.

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      5 months ago

      How is reality a god? It’s not a being. It has no intelligence or agency. I can’t think of a definition of god that “reality” would fit.

      Parvos Granum

      My searching tells me that this is a character in a video game, which is a weird thing to reference when talking about actual beliefs.