• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    For the previous 8 years, instead of fighting fascism and white nationalism, the Democrats have made their enemy the populists within their own party.

    It ended expectedly.

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    6 days ago

    DNC rigged their primary in favor of Hillary in 2016 and fucked him over AGAIN in 2020 when Obama made a phone call urging both Klobuchar and Buttigeg to drop and endorse Biden. They fucked themselves and the rest of the country twice (now three times) in a row. They’re done as a party, many moved Independent and will remain there for the rest of their lives unless the Dems get their shit together.

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    7 days ago

    Bernie won fewer votes in Vermont, his home state, than Kamala. One of the rare incumbent Democratic Senators who actually underperformed Harris.

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    7 days ago

    An even older candidate would have absolutely lost in 24. He may have won in 16, but more likely he loses but gets a bigger share of the popular vote than Hilary did.

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    7 days ago

    So let me get this right.

    The Democrat party was upset we were putting up a president that was “too old” and showing signs of cognitive decline, especially since he was going up against another old man with even more cognitive decline.

    So the Democrat party gets the old man to drop out at the last minute and since there’s no time for a Democrat primary, they put up a black woman as the nominee.

    But because the black woman wasn’t the absolutely perfect candidate, wasn’t articulate enough on her policies, and didn’t hand the left everything they wanted on a silver platter, they opted to stay home in protest and let the old white man with even more dementia return to power in order to “send a message” to Democrats not to put up old white guys.

    And now they’re saying that the solution to the old white guy that they didn’t want to vote for was to put up an even older white guy who managed to get even less votes than her in his own home state.

    Please, make it make sense.

    And if you’re one of the 10+ million Biden voters who opted to sit home, you still fucking voted for this. “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” And you made that choice fully informed, knowing it was a de-facto vote for Trump.

    If your solution to the problem of “old white guy” is “even older white guy”, then just admit it. You didn’t vote for Harris because she’s a black woman and are just using the narrative as a convenient excuse so you don’t have to admit (to yourself, to friends) that you’re a closeted racist. Because nobody with three active fucking brain cells believes that the solution to anything is to sit back and allow Trump to return to power.

    "I don’t like Harris’s economic policies, so I voted for a guy who’s economic policy is “They’re eating the dogs!”

    “I don’t like Harris’s policy on Gaza, so I voted for a guy who promised to speed up the genocide even faster.”

    "I don’t like Harris flip-flopping on policies, so I voted for the guy who says he has “concepts of a plan”.

    “I don’t like Harris’s record as a prosecutor, so I’m going to vote for a guy who wants to have me deported because of my race.”

    “I don’t like Harris being endorsed by a Republican woman (the men are just fine, though), so I’m just going to allow all of them to return to power.”

    And all I keep seeing from the people defending this line of bullshit is that “They couldn’t vote for Harris because…”, or “Harris went too far to the right…”, or “Well, Liz cheney showed up that one time…”. Yet asking the questions of “So how the hell does allowing Trump to return to power help in any way? Better yet, how does allowing Trump to return to power not make the situation actively worse? What is Trump going to do to help me?” is met by silence, insults, and downvotes. Because they know what the answer is. It doesn’t. It makes everything worse. But they just don’t want to admit (again, either to themselves and/or to others) that they would rather allow an old white wanna-be dictator to return to power before they’d vote for a black woman. Everything else is just excuses.

    • grue@lemmy.world
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      6 days ago

      Please, make it make sense.

      No.

      The voters are entitled to their vote whether it makes sense or not. Failing to vote for Kamala (or Hillary, for that matter) to stop Trump was objectively stupid, but it was their right to be objectively stupid if they wanted.

      The Democrats had two choices: they could capitulate to that stupidity, run a progressive, and have a chance of winning, or they could obstinately cling to neoliberalism and lose. You’d think their basic responsibility as a political party whose goal is to win would have them choose the former, but instead they chose the latter. Make that make sense!