Summary

Palestinians in the West Bank are largely pessimistic about Donald Trump’s re-election, viewing it as unlikely to significantly worsen their already dire situation, though some fear it could embolden Israeli actions.

Trump’s support for Israel’s far-right policies, including the potential dismantling of the UN agency Unrwa and backing of Israeli settlements, could deepen economic hardship and escalate violence against Palestinians.

While some Palestinians worry about increased oppression, others see a Trump presidency as a chance to expose brutal realities, possibly sparking stronger resistance.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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      14 days ago

      The DNC didn’t make anyone see a man who promised to be a dictator, who quoted Hitler, who said immigrants were poisoning the blood of our country, who promised 1500% tariffs, who chose Vance as a running mate and who shows very clear signs of significant cognitive decline and say, “I’m not going to stop that guy from getting into office.”

      There is not a single reason that an American voter can give me that would justify not voting for Harris and allowing this to happen.

      I don’t care how much you didn’t like Harris. Trump is worse in every possible way.

      But enjoy this gloating time now. You won’t be gloating in four years when there’s going to be a Putin-style election.

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        The is the correct energy, and exactly the correct thing to say. Thanks for saying it. Now I can type this shorter message instead!

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        While everything you said is true the DNC is also equally to blame. For better or worse FPTP means we only have two parties, which means there’s an onus on them to appeal to as many voters as they can (to do anything less is to guarantee their loss). The DNC for decades now has followed a policy of appealing not to the general public, but to a wealthy subset in order to maximize their own bribes campaign contributions. That has seen a steady rightward shift of their economic (and to a lesser extent social) policies. This rightward shift naturally alienates a large block of those that would otherwise support them. After all if you’re a supporter of right wing policies you would already be a Republican, thus if you aren’t it’s because you’re looking for left wing policies. Something the Democrats increasingly do not have.

        There are three possible outcomes for each potential voter. You can vote Republican. You can vote Democrat. Or you can not vote (or vote 3rd party, the outcome is identical either way). Because voting isn’t mandatory, the default state is not voting. Republicans have spent the last couple decades erecting roadblocks to voting, passing ID laws, closing polling places to increase lines, encouraging their followers to harass voters, purging voter rolls at the last minute, etc.

        All that means that it takes actual effort to go out and vote. For an increasingly exhausted public, that is struggling just to survive day to day, that might have to take a precious day off from work to stand in an uncomfortable line for hours at a time while being menaced by unhinged MAGA, they need a strong encouragement to put up with all that.

        From a purely logical standpoint the threat posed by Trump and MAGA should be sufficient motivation. But people are not always or even often logical. Republicans have spent decades fine tuning their propaganda. They’ve weaponized AM radio, and talking head “news” shows like Hannity, to convince their voters that Democrats are perpetually moments away from rounding them all up and having them executed. That’s the reason Republicans always show up to vote, no matter how onerous the process becomes.

        Democrats in contrast have been hesitant to call a spade a spade. They should have been blaring the threat posed by Trump from day one of his campaign in the most explicit language possible. Every opportunity should have been taken to replay highlights of every unhinged statement Trump made to highlight exactly how dangerous he was. Instead they use euphemisms, saying things like “extremists” rather than terrorists, or “Insurrection” instead of attempted coup.

        Added to all of that is dissatisfaction with Democrats policies right when they needed to be doing everything they could to convince people that if they just got off their asses and voted things would significantly improve for them.

        So yes, this is very much a failure of Democrats. The party failed not just themselves but the American public. Unfortunately now everyone pays the price for that, not just the apathetic voters that sat out, but even those of us that did the sane logical thing and voted for the lesser evil.

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        Even if all third party voters voted to Harris she would still lose. So the hell are you talking about? What I don’t understand is how American can still vote to the same goddamn two parties

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          Please quote where I mentioned third party voters. Because that was not the only way people let Trump win. Plenty of them didn’t vote at all.

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            You said that you can’t understand how some people is not voting to Harris. So that include 3rd party voters

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              Please quote where I mentioned third party voters. Because that was not the only way people let Trump win. Plenty of them didn’t vote at all.

              For fuck’s sake, people are either putting words in my mouth or not reading what I write.

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      Ah the DNC, the classic boogieman of the geniuses who decide not to vote when a criminal who loves Hitler is running for office after already having tried overturning democracy once. Yes it’s the DNC’s fault you couldn’t be bothered to lift a fucking pen against fascism.