The democrats haven’t held a legitimate primary since 2008!

In 2008 it was a genuine competition between Obama, Hillary, and a handful of other lesser known politicians. Obama won the general in a landslide.

In 2012 Obama ran unopposed. Obama won the general.

In 2016 the democrats rigged the primary against sanders for Hillary, and to absolutely no one’s surprise who was paying attention, Hillary lost the general. Why? she didn’t genuinely win the primary. Shocking!

In 2020, refusing to learn mistakes from 2016, the democrats once again screwed over bernie and didn’t run a legitimate primary - rigged it so that all the candidates except no-path-to-win Warren exited the race to split the progressive vote away from bernie. Joe biden won by the skin of his teeth, and he would of lost if it weren’t for the country reacting to trumps handling of covid.

In 2024, once again refusing to learn the democrats didn’t even bother with a primary, ran an old demented geezer as a presidential candidate, realized that wasn’t going to work, and then anointed unelected Kamala Harris who didn’t even need to compete in a primary.

And they’re shocked they lost?! These people make way too much money to be this stupid.

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    My view: yes, the Dems could have some better, but they still put up a legitimately good candidate. The GOP put up a pile of orange dog shit… And the dog shit won. How is it the Dems fault that more than half the population enjoys dog shit?

    For the Dems to win, they need to run a fucking perfect campaign and the GOP doesn’t. Why? Because media fragmentation and propaganda. The bulk of the population doesn’t want to be informed. How is that the Dems fault? How did the Democratic party reach those voters that don’t give a shit about truth?

    This isn’t a failure of the Democratic party, this is a failure of our society.

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      The left needs to stop making the perfect be the enemy of the good, or we will never get anywhere.

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        Good fucking luck with that. Too many people view their spotless moral record as being more important than outcomes or improving lives (/not actively making things worse).

        Misanthropy is the only real outcome to this sort of behavior.

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          “Spotless moral record”

          BRO WE ARE FUNDING A FUCKING GENOCIDE WHILE WE HAVE RECORD HOMELESSNESS, DEATHS OF DESPAIR, WORSENING CLIMATE CHANGE, LACK OF HEALTHCARE, ILLITERACY, WOMEN DYING IN CHILDBIRTH AT RATES NOT SEEN IN THE FIRST WORLD.

          But go off smug liberal fascist.

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            And instead of doing something even remotely helpful, they let the genocide harder guy win.

            But go off, accelerationist, go ahead and tell me how this makes things better. And keep using the word fascist, maybe someday you’ll learn the meaning.

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              You’re so woke you’re letting visibly queer people like myself live under threat of a fascist regime because you refused to hold your party accountable and “push to the left”.

              They spit in our faces and minimize a fucking GENOCIDE and then expect us to vote for them? Fuck them and fuck you too.

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                What the fuck are you smoking friend, my entire friend group is visibly queer and the only option we had available was Kamala. I would lash out for your ignorance, but you have no way of knowing and are extremely raw.

                They spit in our faces and minimize a fucking GENOCIDE and then expect us to vote for them?

                And instead you spit right back and welcomed it on yourself and those like you and I love. This isn’t to vote shame, it’s just acknowledging objective reality.

                I’m so sorry for you and those around me who are going to suffer for the choices made yesterday, but you really need to stop and think about the choices available to you in this limited and frankly fucked up world. I stand by my statement, no matter how many people refuse to accept that bad situations have awful choices with worse outcomes for wanting to die in a particular hill.

                Fuck them and fuck you too.

                I hope you’re able to find safety and peace, and that you’re willing to let yourself see past your morality to the bare facts of reality. Electoralism fucking sucks, but you can now see what happens when morality outweighs pragmatism.

                Goodbye, I don’t have the mental bandwidth to deal with such bitter and misplaced hatred, especially when trying to keep the sanity of those around me melting down. Stay safe.

                Edit: ‘go to brunch’ lol, fuckers don’t know shit about what I’ve done and are just salty I have a different opinion, so clearly I’m just a brunch ally.

                I’d tell you to get fucked, but I wish the best for you, even if you’re lashing out in ugly ways. Find peace friends, I’ll still be in the front lines even if you spit on me.

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                  Enjoy brunch! “All my friends are queer”

                  Lmfao, I’m visibly queer and have been physically assaulted since I was a child in the 90s for it. The democrats have not nor ever been our friends. They manipulate us for votes. They refuse to see how THEIR ACTIONS made them lose an election they should of won in a landslide.

                  Keep minimizing a genocide, fascist.

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        You can try to change tens of millions of potential voters minds so they vote for worse candidates than they want…

        Or we can convince the double digit number of wealthy and connected people running the dnc that what they keep shoving down our throats isn’t what voters want.

        Which do you think is easier?

        And as a bonus:

        Which one results in a better America?

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        “How could the Germans allowed the Holocaust to happen?!”

        Look in the mirror, fool.

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      I think Harris and Walz were good candidates but their pitch was simply unappealing. The average american has been hurting bad the last 4 years. Harris’ pitch was to maintain the degrading status-quo while trump promised to do SOMETHING. Whether or not that something is successful doesn’t matter, people are sick of slowly getting crushed by costs of living.

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          People struggle with differentiating causation and correlation. The past four years of inflation has wrecked peoples’ pocketbooks and Harris spent a lot of her campaign refusing to acknowledge the unpopularity of the current administration she’s serving in. Meanwhile, most people don’t remember struggling as hard as they do now under Trump (myself included). I didn’t vote for him BTW, but I’m not going to act like I don’t understand how his pitch appealed to lots of people.

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          Once again smug liberals blaming voters for voting wrong instead of blaming their party for running shitty untested candidates.

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              No, at the end of the day it’s the political parties responsibility to run electable candidates. Not even having a primary makes it so they ran someone untested. And lost.

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                Harris is objectively better than Trump by any measure. If the voters were educated on their respective platforms instead of voting out of hate they’d have voted Harris.

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                  Better than Trump by any measure

                  Except the only measure that matters, which happened last night. Can’t even say she was more popular either.

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                    I don’t consider popular to be “better”, especially when the popularity is among the current republican voting base

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                    These people are so fucking delusional it blows my mind that they have enough brain cells to fill out a ballot at all.

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                  You’re delusional. The voters didn’t buy it and at the end of the day you need to accept defeat and run better candidates and the only way to do that is with fair competitive primaries, something the DNC has neglected since 2008!

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      The candidate wasn’t bad, at least not as bad as 2016. The process was bad. The Democratic primaries have been suspicious for a long time - so they aren’t trustworthy.

      Don’t forget all the Democratic shakiness, just because of the Republican shakiness. Democrats needed to gain trust.

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      they still put up a legitimately good candidate.

      Its hard to imagine any greater evil than the mass murder, systematic rape, and targetting of innocents of all kinds that the Israels have done using our direct military support, and this candidates unflagging support.

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      “Good candidate” is your opinion. She did not compete in a primary, she was given the nomination, and shockingly /s she lost. Turns out she was not a good candidate!

      God y’all are delulu

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        I don’t know why you are getting down voted. She lost , so she was a bad candidate.

        She might have been a good candidate, but she was never chosen in the primaries, so why would the voters choose her.

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          Because the blue MAGA crowd are completely fucking delusional and can’t cope with the fact that they lost because they’re incompetent and corrupt.

          I completely expect a repeat of this behavior in 2028. And a repeat of blame the left and third party voters… despite the fact that trump won with enough votes that all the third party votes combined going solely to swing states wouldn’t of changed the outcome.

          They want somebody other than themselves to blame.