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    That would be a morally correct political faux pas, that would result in Republicans scoring easy points just by saying “See! We told you so!”

    It’s the kind of suggestion someone in a leftwing political bubble would make, forgetting that to actually be effective, you have to win votes from both sides.

    There’s no room for tactical errors this election, even if they would make you feel morally superior. It’s not a game of moral signaling, it’s a game of politics. The point is not to be right, it’s to win the election.

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      Any other vulnerable minorities you want to throw under the bus while you’re at it?

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        1. do you think winning an election is about the popular vote?

        2. do you think the Democrats are more likely to support trans rights?

        If you answered yes to both, then maybe don’t suggest importing wedge issues into something that’s about the popular vote?

        Do you want to give Trump more voters? Because that’s what you’re angling for. That’s what the headline is suggesting to do.

        You’re mistaking wanting the most minority supporting side of politics to win the election for not supporting minorities? How the fuck doesn’t that even make sense.

        Kamala’s job is currently defensive, dodge dodge dodge, stay clean, watch Trump get dirty and sink. It’s simple.

        As soon as she’s won, then it’s time to be very very very noisy (and violent) on progressive and socialist issues again. But right now that’s only going to act as a kind of sabotage.

        Which is fine if you’re an accelerationist who sees value to strengthening American Fascism. But I just want to try to end the Republican party.

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          If you answered yes to both

          I answered no to both.

          Do you want to give Trump more voters?

          The only argument any centrist has when they move to the right like they all want to.

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            So you don’t believe they need the popular vote to win and you believe that the Republicans would be better at defending trans rights?

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              I believe that the popular vote isn’t sufficient to win, as it wasn’t when Clinton lost with the popular vote.

              I believe Democrats won’t protect trans rights, either.

              You’ve chosen to be dishonest as fuck about my positions.

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                She didn’t get the popular vote where it mattered, popular vote is still what is needed

                So you think it’s just as likely they won’t protect trans right as it is likely the Republicans won’t? Because that was the question.

                Looking at Democrat’s States vs Republican States it’s pretty clear you’re wrong about that second part.

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                  She didn’t get the popular vote where it mattered, popular vote is still what is needed

                  Trump won without it.

                  So you think it’s just as likely they won’t protect trans right as it is likely the Republicans won’t?

                  I don’t trust either of them at all on this issue. I think they’re just itching to throw another vulnerable minority under the bus like they did with the undocumented immigrants you’re using Republican talking points about.

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                    Republicans do bad thing

                    Democrats try but fail to completely stop it

                    “Why did Democrats do this bad thing??” - Ensign_Crab

                    Every time without fail, it’s a classic

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                    Again, she didn’t get the popular vote WHERE IT MATTERED, first past the post still requires popular vote, just not at a national level.