• Carrolade@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Pretty core difference that Hilary was a moderate that had to try to win over the left. Harris is a progressive that has to try to win over the middle.

      Thinking you can be a progressive that wins on progressivism alone with no coalition building or winning over anyone else only gets you the percentage of total American voters that are progressive, and is a recipe for defeat. There just aren’t enough of us that ascribe to the whole platform.

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        Harris is a progressive that has to try to win over the middle.

        Harris is a moderate Liberal, not a progressive. She’s not winning over leftists, but she is trying to appeal to the less fascist republicans.

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          3 months ago

          According to her senate voting record she is quite progressive. You have to go by voting record, you can’t use rhetoric.

          I agree she’s trying to pull some of the non-maga repubs though.

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              3 months ago

              Reformist dems. Voting rights protections, higher taxes, higher business regulation, more public services, environmental action, criminal justice reform, minority protections. For starters.

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                Reformist dems. Voting rights protections, higher taxes, higher business regulation, more public services, environmental action, criminal justice reform, minority protections. For starters.

                Oh, you mean a centrist

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                  No, the centrists are the neolibs. Lower taxes, light on regulation. Generally little criminal justice reform or environmental action. To the right of the centrists are the conservatives, against almost all regulation, criminal justice reform and minority protections. To the right of the conservatives are the fascists, be a christian or gtfo. Rolling back a lot of freedoms.

                  To the left of the centrists are the progressives, also often known as democratic socialists, who want highly regulated capitalism and a democratic society. To the left of them are communists, who want full egalitarianism.

                  In America anyway. Harris being an American presidential candidate, using the American scale seems appropriate.

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                  3 months ago

                  Sure. Here’s a list of some of the bills she introduced to congress when she was in:

                  https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678

                  Personally though I’m fond of her Back On Track program from back when she was AG if I remember right, where nonviolent offenders could get out of jail time and get their records expunged if they enrolled in education or got a job.

                  And yea we could quibble on what “progressive” means if we wanted, but we risk just getting into no true scottsman stuff. In my view, people that want to improve the existing system with steady movement forward qualify as progressive. This is in opposition to the neolib dem faction that does not want to progress forward, and instead just wants to keep to the Bill Clinton direction of the party.

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                    Thanks for the source.

                    Either way, it seems we disagree with what we count as progressive. Harris seems intent on carrying through the Party Line of the DNC, and not moving an inch leftward, ergo she’s not appealing to leftists but less extreme fascists. She isn’t even campaigning on ceasing arms to Israel or even Medicare for All, it’s just continued liberalism.