• boywar3@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    My truly white-hot take is that if I had to choose between Palestine being reduced to ash and losing me and my family’s rights and Palestine being reduced to ash and me and my family not losing my rights…I’m going to take the option that involves me and my family not losing my rights lol.

    And, to be frank, if I had to choose between helping a million strangers I’ve never met or not, with the lives of my family and friends on the line, I’d probably pick my family and friends over the strangers, regardless of the issue.

    You can moan and cry all you want about “you are voting for genocide” or whatever - the fact is that the world is much larger than Palestine. Other things are at stake here. How the fuck are all those Palestinians (who are still going to be bombed by the Republicans btw) going to deal with climate change as its effects worsen when a Republican administration takes power in the US and rolls back all our climate protections and attempts to mitigate climate change? The global poor are FUCKED if we don’t handle that shit as best we can ASAP. Full stop.

    I’m personally not interested in fucking over every other person on the planet for Palestine. Is the genocide horrible? Yes. Should it be stopped immediately? Yes. Do I want it to stop? Also, yes. But can I in good conscience actively utilize my vote to wring my hands over genocide and allow an even worse scenario to play out? Fuck no.

    There are more things at stake here than just Palestine. Shit sucks, but that’s the world we live in and there won’t be magical change just because you wring your hands and screech on the internet about how random people are “supporting a genocide by voting for Kamala” when any person with half a brain can see that the Republican party has acted the same way in the past and will actively accelerate it when given the chance (remember when Trump pissed everyone off by moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, effectively recognizing the stolen land there?). Grow the fuck up and see that the world isn’t so simple - sometimes there are no good options, only mildly less shitty ones.

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    Damn she should probably change her policies to not supporting genocide if she wants those votes

    I won’t blame someone for not supporting a genocidal pig.

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      No but blindly vote blue

      Trump would be worse than the 20 billion dollars of pre approved bombs I can assure you

      No such thing as a bad Democrat candidate amirite

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    Trump: bans Muslims from the USA as one of the first things he does as president. Muslims: he’s our guy!

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      What makes you think they support either genocidal candidate? If hitler harris wants those votes, she just has to stop supporting genocide; it’s not that hard.

      Unless you think demanding someone to not support genocide is too much?

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        Republicans: literally write “finish them” on Israeli bombs.

        Lemmy.ml users: the important thing to learn here is not to vote for the more leftwing candidate. Only by giving electoral success to the most right wing party will we convince the more moderate party to move left. They will see the right win and all the polling show that right wing policies win elections and will realise that they should do the opposite of what the republicans did to gain power.

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    Have they not thought about how much worse Trump will be? They are dark skinned immigrants they will be persecuted here and he will let Israel do what ever it wants to the Palestinians.

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    Trying to use Gaza on either candidate is stupid. Genocide is a US thing, it has nothing to do with political parties.

    If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.

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      Trying to use Gaza on either candidate is stupid. Genocide is a US thing, it has nothing to do with political parties.

      So we need to abandon them entirely and either elect a new party or overthrow the state.

      If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.

      Ah, “thoughts and prayers,” same as always.

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        Yes, you need to abandon both and elect a new party of overthrow the state. That’s been the solution for the last 30 years, but y’all aren’t going to do that, so forgive me for discussing actual plausible scenarios.

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      If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.

      This isn’t even hopium it’s just straight up delusional.

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        Do you know what “if anything” means in this context? It means we are unlikely to see a difference between parties, if we do (which we wont) it would be more likely to be on the democrat side.

        Youre delusional to think a Trump admin wouldn’t be far worse for Gaza and Ukraine