• muhyb@programming.dev
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    What kind of logic is that? He is the one who started the war, as well as he can end it any time.

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        5 months ago

        You can support Putin blindly all you want but you don’t have to be warmongering. It isn’t good for any of us.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              It’s pretty clear that everyone does not want the war to stop given that the west has rejected multiple offers to stop the war. You’re right that the war can only stop if the west stops blocking the peace process.

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                Well, Russia has also rejected nany proposals, so that seems rather even.

                I was not aware that Ukraine us preventing Russia from retreating out of Ukraine. Do you have a source for that? My understanding was hat Putin was allowed to pull back his troops, ending the war, without asking for permission from Ukraine? Or is it China he needs permission from? I’m confused. Who exactly is bossing Putin around saying he can’t withdraw?

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                  It only seems even when you ignore the fact that Russia is winning the war.

                  Do you have a source for that? My understanding was hat Putin was allowed to pull back his troops, ending the war, without asking for permission from Ukraine? Or is it China he needs permission from? I’m confused. Who exactly is bossing Putin around saying he can’t withdraw?

                  That’s not what happened. Russia pulled back troops as part of Istanbul negotiations as a show of good faith. You do sound very confused indeed, which is likely why you keep making incoherent statements here. Perhaps spend a bit of time learning about the subject first?

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                    What does the fact that Russia is winning have to do with anything? If anything, it would mean it’s even easier to end the war by withdrawing as they would not need to be worried about a counterinvasion?

                    Putin could end the war tomorrow. He chooses not to. Maybe he chooses not to, because he thinks he is winning? It does not matter. What matters is that he chooses not to end it, killing millions.

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            You have the mindset that will be the reason for the end of the world. You literally say “the strong can do whatever the fuck they want”, how is that not warmongering?

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              You literally say “the strong can do whatever the fuck they want”, how is that not warmongering?

              It’s absolutely hilarious that you’re claiming that this hasn’t been the norm already. The west has invaded Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan just to name a few countries in recent years. The only reason you’re upset now is that it’s not your side that’s doing it.

              The people who are going to be the reason for the world to end are always the ones who want the wars to keep going. Especially wars where the outcome is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.

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                So anyone who oppose you is a capitalist western dog is it?

                It’s equally wrong to be sided with the West who invade countries just like to be sided with Russia or China who invades countries or persecute minorities. But since I don’t like tyrants, I must be Western.

                The norm: “Let’s kill each other”. Yeah, that looks like something normal. Totally.

                I just hope you live long enough to see the second Soviet dissolution. Maybe that day you’ll understand how bad warmongering is.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  So anyone who oppose you is a capitalist western dog is it?

                  I’m just pointing out the sheer bullshit your argument is premised on. The west has been going on a rampage across the globe since USSR fell, and now here you are doing hand wringing about might makes right when a non western country does what’s already been normalized claiming it would be the end of the world.

                  The norm: “Let’s kill each other”. Yeah, that looks like something normal. Totally.

                  That’s the world US created under its hegemony since USSR dissolved.

                  I just hope you live long enough to see the second Soviet dissolution. Maybe that day you’ll understand how bad warmongering is.

                  The only one doing warmongering here is you. I want the war to end. I love how you aren’t even trying to be coherent here.

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      The US started the war with the coup. This is just an open secret. Obama is on video admitting it. You’re watching too much western propaganda.