It isn’t, and I did not say so. But I’ll go ahead and use the same logic as you, and conclude that your understanding of the war is not based on any information at all, since you have not mentioned a single source so far.

If we go back to the actual article, and the sources it cites, it looks like the will to fight is still there, so what you say does not appear to be true.

Perhaps you care to provide sources to the contrary?

Similarly, you say Putin can’t stop the war, because he is afraid of the Russian people. Is it not also true that stopping the war is incredibly unpopular in the west too? Is Putin as weak as the western leaders? I thought he had massive support from the population and that the people respects his opinion?

I’m struggling with you not being able to provide a date for some election or referendum from before the invasion where the people in any way would have indicated that they wish for an intervention.

As you are unable to do so, I conclude that we agree that the people did indeed not wish to be annexed, so that settles thaz point.

You tell me. I’ll quote you again:

Donbas has had election long before it INVITED Russia to intervene on its behalf.

So when was the election you had in mind that legitimizes the request for intervention.

Ok, when were those elections held. It is a simple question you refuse to answer. Can you provide a date?

What will happen in the end is that Russia will win and dictate terms, the only question is how many more people have to die before westerners accept that.

You answered yourself where the millions come from.

You agree that Putin could stop the war, but can not see why it would make sense to not kill millions. That requires a particular disregard for life typical of Russia, and then russians act surprised when people hate them.

I quote yourself:

Donbas has had election long before it INVITED Russia to intervene on its behalf.

So again, when was this election held? It’s a simple question. I’m not sure why you are avoiding answering it, and instead providing sources about an election held in 2022.

The very first sentence in thr very first source says the referendum was held in September 2022, while Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022. If my math checks out, September comes after February. Or are you referring to some other referendum? Could you be more specific?

To avoid the death of millions of Russians and Ukrainians. I’ve answered multiple times.

So, now we agree that Russia could end the war immediately, regardless of what the west does, but chooses not to, leading to the death of millions of Russians and Ukrainians.

Intetesting how the article still uses the claim from the source, without commenting at all why this particular figure that supports the narrative is correct, but the other, that does not support it, is incorrect? Why link to a source you know can’t be trusted? Why not simply use a reliable source instead?

You are avoiding my question. Can Russia end the war immediately, or do they need permission from the west? Yes or no. If you do not answer, I will just assume thst you agree with me that Russia can end the war unilaterally, and Putin chooses not to (because he chooses not to, as “winning” is more important thsn millions of lives).

A great way not answering my question. When was this election held on Donbas that resulted in the invitation of Russian troops?

That has literally nothing to do with what I just wrote? I said nothing about the reason for the war.

Again, can Russia end the war immediately, ss you claimed, or do they need permission from the west, like you also claimed?

I don’t remember any elections before Russian troops arrived (aka the little green men). When exactly were these elections held?

I asked about Russia, not Ukraine.

Can Russia end the war immediately, or does Russia need the permission of the west to do so?

Why would they not be able to get one? Are you suggesting Ukrainians are unable to govern themselves or hold free elections? Where is the proof of that?

Are you suggesting that Ukraine can not ever hold free elections after a coup, but Donbas can while under armed invasion of a foreign country?

You are contradicting yourself. Can russia stop the war immediately, or do they need the permission of the west to do so? Both can’t be true simultaneously

Separated without a legitimate election, unlike the rest of Ukraine, yes. So there were several free elections in most of Ukraine since the revolution, and no free elections in Donbas.

Again, Putin is the only one who can guatanteed end this. You ignore that.

The west abandoning Ukraine in no way guarantees that Russia stops killing Ukrainians, or Ukrainians stop killing Russians.

Is it likely that Ukraine capitulates without Western support? Yes. Is it likely to happen the next day? No. Id it guaranteed to happen at all? No.

Is it likely that Russia stops killing Ukrainians? Yes. Is it likely to stop the next day? No.

The only person who can end this within a day, Putin, chooses not to, and instead chooses the deaths of millions.

You keep mentioning how the west could end this, but are completely silent about the fact that so could Putin, and with much less bloodshed.

Completely missing the several elections after said overthrowing.

The people spoke, and _confirmed_that indeed they did not like the government they overthrew.