• mipadaitu@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Polls don’t matter, especially this far out.

    Vote. Put pressure on politicians to do better. But more than anything. Vote.

    If the polls say he’s 100% going to win. Vote. If you’re in a state that goes blue every time for the last 100 years. Vote. If you’re in a state that goes red every time for the last 100 years. Vote.

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      6 months ago

      I see people saying their vote doesn’t matter when they’re in a highly partisan district, which is most of them.

      News flash: Even the dumbest politicians can look at arithmetic. If they see their margins shrinking, they’ll adjust. Or go full retard and double-down. And then get a worse beating.

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        I see people saying their vote doesn’t matter when they’re in a highly partisan district

        I see people saying it when they’re in heavily gerrymandered districts and deeply disenfranchised states. Dems have been playing the “Just go out and vote!” game in Florida for a quarter century, and Repubs keep finding new ways to yank the football. Even ballot initiatives don’t work, as the Florida gerrymandered legislature just reverses out whatever voting rights or decriminalization laws the public passes.

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      6 months ago

      I’m not going to vote for Biden until he stops funding a genocide. You cannot say put pressure on them and vote for them no matter what. They do not give a fuck what you think if you’re going to automatically vote for them. That’s why the uncommitted votes in the primaries scared them so much.

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      6 months ago

      Polls always matter, you just have to understand polls.

      This is with third party options and show Biden up 2% which is probably close to margin of error.

      It doesn’t mean Biden has it in the bag, but it means his chances are improved.

      But Biden risks the same dangers Hillary did in 2016.

      People don’t really want to vote for them, they just don’t want trump. So there’s a risk if Biden is polling too well (I don’t think it will be an issue) people will stay home thinking they don’t need to compromise their morals because trump will lose.

      It’s a dangerous game, and we wouldn’t have to play it if we ran a candidate popular with Dem voters.

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        So there’s a risk if Biden is polling too well (I don’t think it will be an issue) people will stay home thinking they don’t need to compromise their morals because trump will lose.

        That’s largely how Romney lost to Obama in 2012. Republican turnout sagged in a year when both candidates’ approval ratings were underwater. Mitt lost a bunch of midwestern states that a candidate like Bush or Trump could have won, thanks to his vulture capitalist career alienating blue-collar conservatives and his weird knock-off religion alienating evangelicals.

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    6 months ago

    Why the fuck is Trump even able to run? He’s literally a fucking criminal, and was impeached. I dont understand how our political system or even judicial systems work at this point.

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      Why the fuck is Trump even able to run?

      Because nobody is actually stopping him. Republican state level leaders all love him. Dems are too terrified to threaten him with more than a wrist slap. The police are in his corner. Big Business is bankrolling him. The Media keeps accidentally falling face first onto his dick. And 1:3 Americans still insist he’s better than The Other Guy.

      So he’s still listed on all the ballots. He’s still the GOP’s nominee. And if he wins the lion’s share of electoral college votes (by hook or by crook) he’s going to be the President in January.

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      6 months ago

      Disclaimer: Fuck Trump.

      That being said, convicted “criminals” should still be able to run for any public office in my opinion. A tyrant CAN capture the judiciary and imprison their political opponents. This is in fact what happened in the Indian elections right now. This is in fact what happened in the US elections in the early 1900s, where a socialist candidate ran for President from prison. What was his crime? Striking when the State had deemed it illegal to do so.

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    This is a big deal. I’m extremely excited to get a look into these data. This would be an INCREDIBLE thing considering that Biden has been lagging Trump in the polls for over 450 days.

    And whoever tells you polls don’t matter has their head up their ass. Polls do matter, a lot, especially this far out. People aren’t a monolith. People do change their minds and perspectives.

    Apparent viability matters. Even a 2-5% hit in polling to Trump can take him from the range of viable to non-viable.

    And yes, polling is flawed. In 2016 and 2020, the polling massively underestimated support for Trump. We need to keep this in mind when we look at these numbers,.

    Keeping in mind that the trajectory of Bidens polling was into the carpet, pretty much since the inauguration.

    If Biden can shift this towards an upward trend, he’s suddenly back in the game. Thats a sea change. Thats huge.

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      Polls matter a lot when they start moving. There are plenty of people who pay no attention at all to news or politics. and those people are slowly finding out that Trump is now a convicted felon and may soon be wearing an orange jumpsuit.

      No matter how the “Law and Order” GQP attacks the American Criminal Justice System, western societies have centuries of experience dealing with convicted felons. It is a stain that won’t wash out.

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        Agreed. I’m holding back to do any real analysis of this for about 10 more days.

        People love to say polls suck, they don’t mean anything, its total none-sense, etc. Interestingly its always when their candidate is losing.

        Now that these polls are shifting, my guess is the dorks who can’t tell up from down start shifting their stories, and soon after that, they’ll be pretending it was always their view.

        Polls are important, especially in terms of this far out, and especially in-terms of the ‘appearance’ of electability. These are the weeks and months where momentum builds. A sudden breakout, or sudden drop in polling numbers is extremely consequential.