• Pennomi@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    I said this the other day, but this is because capitalism is society optimizing for the wrong values.

    It makes perfect sense if you’re optimizing for profit. It makes terrible sense if you’re optimizing for peace, health, and safety.

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      16 days ago

      Profit-seeking is capitalism doing exactly as it’s meant to. I don’t place any blame there. Every time capitalism optimizes for the wrong benefit, is detrimental to society or its citizens or its fixture, the blame is entirely on those who establish and maintain the market. A profit-seeking healthcare industry is not a failure of capitalism, but a failure of regulators to focus capitalism on positive outcomes, or a failure of regulators to establish a beneficial market. In that case, the existence of the market itself may be the root failure, but capitalism can’t fix that, only those who should be regulating that market

      People assume capitalism is all powerful, but it’s not. We have extensive systems in place to establish fair markets for capitalism to act within: where are they? Who do they serve? Who benefits? We keep forgetting capitalism is just a tool, not a goal itself

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      16 days ago

      capitalism is society optimizing for the wrong values

      There’s an argument that clean energy and efficient supply of health care and a conservative regional defense strategy more invested in reducing violence than instigating it all create virtuous profit-cycles for the economy at large and for individual business units.

      I’d argue that what we have is an echo of the WW2 economic boom. Not necessarily the product of capitalism, per say, but the result of capitalist expansion running through the grooves built out a century beforehand. Water following the course of least resistance, decade after decade, until the institutions are impossible to shift due to its sheer size and depth.

      It makes terrible sense if you’re optimizing for peace, health, and safety.

      It makes sense if you’re simply chasing the last economic wave. The automotive industry compounds on itself because we build cars and the cars need roads so we build roads and now we have demand for more cars. Go over to Japan or Spain or China or NYC, where they’ve invested heavily in rail and you have the opposite dynamic - rail infrastructure snowballs because that’s where the money already is.

      Similarly, countries that aren’t heavily invested in the MIC - Japan, Mexico, South Africa, India - have thrown their GDP into non-military applications at a far more voluminous rate. Taiwan keeps reinvesting in their chip fabs because that’s where their revenue comes from. France keeps throwing more and more money at vineyards and airplanes and nuclear energy.

      Profit-seeking is bad and creates all sorts of moral hazards, but there’s no reason you’re forced to profit-seek through these explicitly destructive methods.

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    17 days ago

    Mm hmm. But we can replace droves of workers with robots, AI, and H1B visas?

    It’s not the “industry” in danger, it’s the executives. “God” forbid they have to learn a new trade. They might actually have to make an effort.