• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    They would get naked before vomiting the apple. It’s ok. She’ll feel better once she talks to the serpent.

    Nope. Doesn’t make sense in reverse either.

      • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        19 minutes on “Twilight wasn’t that bad”? No thanks! I get enough lies from politics.

        It’s extremely poorly written, it glorifies abuse and toxic gender roles (probably influenced by the cult Meyer herself is a member of), and it has ABSOLUTELY had a negative impact on the world in general.

        Did fans of it deserve all the abuse? Of course not.

        Did the books, the movies, and the author, though? FUCK yeah!

        • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          if what you got from that was that “twilight wasn’t bad” you need to work on your English. tons of media glorify the things twilight glorifies, and more. none of them get the immensely toxic hate that this series did. so that argument doesn’t hold water and it’s mostly just cover.

          • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            if what you got from that was that “twilight wasn’t bad” you need to work on your English

            I didn’t watch it, I skimmed some of the comments to see what it was about and whether it was likely to be worth the equivalent of a TV episode of my ADHD-riddled attention.

            tons of media glorify the things twilight glorifies, and more. none of them get the immensely toxic hate that this series did

            That’s a whataboutism. That other media deserves related criticism too doesn’t mean that Twilight and Meyer don’t. It also doesn’t mean that they aren’t especially egregious offenders.

            so that argument doesn’t hold water and it’s mostly just cover.

            Nah, your “but other things are toxic too!” whataboutism is what doesn’t hold water and is just a cover for an incompetent and harmful franchise.

            • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              3 months ago

              first of all, if you didn’t watch it stfu and move on why are you commenting

              second of all that’s not whataboutism, it’s context. the question isn’t who deserves criticism, it’s about what is specifically different about this particular piece or media that made it a target for such immense hate. your “harmful” bs is just cover. harmful media doesn’t get this hate. even more harmful ones. and there are tons.

              i hated twilight too btw. one of the rare movies i couldn’t sit through, and quit halfway. i usually watch even bad movies to the end.

              but that doesn’t explain the cultural phenomenon that hating it became.

              • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                3 months ago

                it’s about what is specifically different about this particular piece or media that made it a target for such immense hate

                First of all, the vast majority was ridicule rather than “hate”. Your histrionics aren’t helpful.

                Second of all, it invited special amounts of scorn and ridicule for being extraordinarily bad and for its popularity giving it tremendous reach to cause tremendous amounts of both annoyance and real harm. Just like Donald Trump gets more scorn and ridicule than your average awful county level Republican who’s not everywhere all the time.

                your “harmful” bs is just cover.

                Nope, it’s accurate, though it was far more infamous for being bad than for being harmful. Hence the criticism being much more ridicule than serious criticism.

                harmful media doesn’t get this hate. even more harmful ones. and there are tons.

                Again, textbook whataboutism. The treatment of other harmful nonsense doesn’t determine whether or not Twilight deserved the ridicule and criticism it got.

                It ABSOLUTELY did, no matter how many other poorly conceived things received less than they deserved.

                but that doesn’t explain the cultural phenomenon that hating it became

                Say you have no idea how memes and culture in general works without saying it 🙄

                The worse you are and the more pervasive you are, the bigger the target you become. Being a Donald Trump sized culture phenomenon that was almost halfway as toxic and unavoidable, Twilight deservedly got almost half as much scorn and derision in its time.

                first of all, if you didn’t watch it stfu and move on why are you commenting

                I’m not commenting on the content of the video. I’m commenting on why I’m not wasting 19 minutes of my undivided attention on a defense of Meyer and her harmful amateur level garbage.

                If you still aren’t getting that, just like you’re still not getting what whataboutism is, maybe it’s YOU who should stfu and move on.

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Also, god turns the woman into dust and a rib and buries it into the mans chest. Then he walks the man around the garden, progressively making him stupid and finally turning him into dust. Then in 7 days he removes all the stars, animals, trees, etc and finally turns the light off and continues being god.