I’m happy with KDE since 2009. But I’d have a really hard time if I were to choose between those two.

I think I “know” MATE because before KDE I used to use Gnome2 so it feels nostalgic to me. The Applications/Places/System menu was the tits and it beat the shit of whatever start menu you put in front of it, and Gnome’s decision to get rid of it was the stupidest idea ever (among many other of their utterly stupid decisions). I’d really miss that menu if it weren’t for that I got used to associate some keystrokes to launch my favorite apps so I don’t even use a start menu or whatever, rather than Krunner.

On the con side it seems to me MATE is being developed at a slower pace than Xfce’s, and it seems less customizable than it - well, at least for me that’s a con - thought I’m not really a “ricer” or anything I just got used to a certain way to do things on the desktop and I remember having to fiddle with Gconf2 to do stuff like you did with friggin’ Windows Registry editor.

I got to use Xfce back in the day too. It has an Applications/Places menu just so people wouldn’t think they blatantly copied Gnome, but it’s more than 10 years since Gnome got rid of it so I don’t know why they haven’t took it. Xfce feels somewhat more customizable, has the veteran badge and seems to have more developers backing it up.

But it’s being developed with GTK+3/4 so I guess at some point they’ll suffer from the shittificationGnome-ization of GTK and, as I said before in some other post, if I were them I’d move all my shit to the E libraries (even more, I’d do a fusion of the Enlightenment desktop and Xfce). Also I happen to be a graphic designer so the lack of care they have onto some things sticks like a sore thumb to me, like those poorly designed settings dialogs on some stuff that even have some dumb horizontal scrolling just because they couldn’t care less about that.

I tried to do a couple of icon sets that went with that trend for KDE. At one point I was involved with the KDE VDG and was about to set the style of the icons they’d use.

But apparently some suit told them they needed to go completely flat as they needed to plaster Firefox/distros/whatever logos on it, so everything needed to look consistent.

So in the end I got bored about it and stepped away. I’m trying to redo a new square-shaped-skeumorphed icon set but it’s so much work - like it’d need to be your daily job to pull it off.

However, if you take a look at it, it’s already in this one - some of them are just the base shape with some logo plastered on it (like the whatsapp one, or the one with the butterfly) and voilá, there’s your icon.

So icon sets are incredibly hard, and if you want a skeumorphism icon set its hard squared. That’s another of the reasons flat icons thrive today.

some tar.gz archive with a sketchy install script

I just can’t… like maybe I’m too old and that’s why I still can’t wrap my head around how we went from “./configure && make & make install scripts are almost the de facto way to install software in linux” to “a sketchy install script”. We’re living interesting times at Linux

It says it uses webkit, so does Epiphany, so most probably it’s based on it.

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Mozilla does not look any reliable for people that loves FOSS, yet our current web seems like it’s either Firefox/Gecko or Chrome/Chromium browsers. I wish people were more aware of emergent projects like Servo or Ladybird - even better if they could donate to them. I’m positive either of them could be a serious competitor to the Chrome hegemony.

Wanted to join the wallpaper contest but it has to be only and only through a Gitlab account, and the requeriments are rather limiting - and, specially, not a fan of contests that are decided by thumbs-up (or heart emojis, like in this case)

Ain’t that what edgelord “comedy” is all about, tho?

Once I read somewhere it was because it made possible for them to make phones thinner.

I mean, half of the USA think a fascist egomaniac, pedophile and pathologic liar with a brain the size of a tomato is the messiah, so…

Me too. Was unemployed for 2.5 years and completely broke. My own sister bullied me about that to no end on a daily basis. Lost almost all of my hair in less than six months (didn’t even hit 30 with hair in my head and no, my parents nor grandparents never went bald). Was dumped and heartbroken and lost my only and best friend in the world - my dog.

But somehow the COVID thing brought inner peace, a stable job, and pretty much could turn my life upside down.

Codeberg. I host my web portfolio live there and even did a small contribution to kbin when it was alive. It’s great though now I’d want to look at forgejo.

and Gentoo computers

Did you unmasked it, or did it already hit stable in the KDE repo?

FreeBSD would be a Community/BSD OS.

I don’t think *BSD folks would appreciate being involved in this discussion as they’re just a different ball.

On the other hand, you just can do something silly and call everything LiGNUx, but even then people won’t be happy.

Been using K-9 for a time and tried Thunderbird - it feels kind of smoother and there are some visual overhauls but ended uninstalling it because it was hard for me to tell which mails were unread (and which ones not) in the main mail list while in dark mode. I guess I’m not the only one who felt that way and surely they will fix it but this also left me the sensation that there’s not much sense in switching to Thunderbird if you’re using K-9.

If you don’t like Vim you should try vis.

I’m old and my gateway to Linux was Ubuntu 5.10 via a live CD they gave me at uni back in 2006.

I got to experience it when they used to take seriously their “Linux for human beings” motto.

Those were GNOME 2 and kernel 2.x times. Albeit the limitations of the technology (40GB HDD disk, 256 MB RAM, an Intel Xeon processor which I can’t remember it’s exact specs) it felt way snappier (no pun intended) than Windows. You could felt they cared about it in that brown visual theme, the icons, the sounds, the way the documentation was phrased - you could feel the Ubuntu in it.

I ended wiping my entire docs drive while trying to install it but got to learn lots of stuff and feel like my computer was actually mine.

Same as for many people my generation, I switched to Linux thanks to that Ubuntu. It’s really sad what it has become and the poor, selfish decisions they have taken, but still it keeps holding a special place in the Linux memories.

We had the same ISP at home for about 16 years. Internet runs over copper cable along with the landline phone service.

On April this year they sent a letter saying they are deprecating copper lines and switching everything to optic fiber, but for some reason our neighborhood is not getting it so they were supposed to terminate the contract and stopping their services on April 2025.

But they did that past Wednesday, all of a sudden, without notifying us whatsoever. They are not answering why are doing this either. On Wednesday I called them to ask what was going on and they told me they were going to reconnect on Thursday morning, but at 4:00 pm it was still the same. Called them again and said they were not reconnecting us because fuck you.

So I can’t visit most of the web right now and I fear I might be booted from the WFH job. The couple of things I use frequently that are still working somehow are Feedly and Lemmy. Tried to switch DNS addresses at the router trying to circumvent this to no avail.

Heading to the nearest library in a couple of hours to talk with my boss.

That means the lack of huge software like Gnome

Been using Gentoo since Jan 2009 and one of the reasons I moved to it and never looked back was because it let me tailor “huge software” like KDE to my needs, with the aid of USE flags and sets. That’s what an actual customizable distro let you to do. If you want to use “smaller software” like, say, Openbox, it won’t get in your way either.

So that point of “centered around smaller software” strucks as weird to me - it goes against the “customizability” point and, ironically, the very Linux kernel is “huge software”…

Apparently you can use the USE FLAGS to determine what stuff you want and it’s meant to be even more lean on resources.

True and false; the “something special” in Gentoo is that you can tailor it to fit to your needs, and as far as I know no other distro comes even close - maybe the now almost defuct Funtoo. The “it’s more lean on resources” always seemed to me like a strawman people don’t like it came up with to diss on Gentoo.