Amad you beautiful bastard. Saved our asses today

I’m beginning to suspect that you’re not just some amateur, but in fact a professional. A professional when it comes to snails and mail.

I hear you but trolls are usually trying to get downvoted anyway.

Plus, trolling can be funny sometimes, when it’s done well. On the topic of being left handed, it seems pretty harmless to me. If they were trolling about political topics and such, that’d be much less funny and more problematic.

Look at his profile and account name, he’s trolling.

In the original sense of the word from like 20 years ago before it got applied to a million other types of behavior.

I heard somewhere that the trick to humor is actually being funny.

✨️the more you know✨️

me when the hot water stops working and I’ve still got shampoo in my hair

I might post about the hexbear reaction to this post later. It was amusing to say the least. But I would post that to !meanwhileongrad, this has already been plenty of drama for the main community.

Sorry but I just replied to the same suggestion so I’m just gonna copy paste my reply below

In general, I agree, but I’m concerned with the prevalence of vote manipulation and shithousing on this site, and I feel like my past track record on this account is one of the only ways for me to protect myself from the constant baseless accusations of being a Russian shill, being a right winger, etc.

I feel that someone needs to be able to counter the increasing tendency towards absolute ideological purity that is strangling this platform, and if people don’t know me from a hole in the wall, it’ll be that much easier to discredit me when I try to criticize the circlejerking that goes on here.

In other words, I’m a human being, and I have opinions, and I’m flawed. But that doesn’t mean I can’t or don’t try my best to act objectively and in the best interests of the server when I’m performing my admin duties. That’s reality, and hiding behind alt accounts just to pretend that I’m a pure paragon of justice on my admin account isn’t really my style, and I don’t really see how it would benefit anyone.

And just in response to your comment specifically, I don’t view my actions over the past few days as having been “spicy” takes, or exhibiting an attitude of partying in a frat house. Some of the things I said were quite frank, yes, but I only came out and said them because I felt that people needed to hear them and respond to them for the good of Lemmy.

As much as people won’t ever believe me in this, I probably wouldn’t have even said any of that crap if I was just a normal user, because personally, I don’t really get upset easily, and I don’t go out of my way seeking confrontation. It’s the fact that I am an admin that led me to speak out, because I feel like these behaviors are harmful to my users who I’m supposed to advocate for and protect, and harmful to the success of Lemmy, which I’m deeply invested in through my role as an admin.

In general, I agree, but I’m concerned with the prevalence of vote manipulation and shithousing on this site, and I feel like my past track record on this account is one of the only ways for me to protect myself from the constant baseless accusations of being a Russian shill, being a right winger, etc.

I feel that someone needs to be able to counter the increasing tendency towards absolute ideological purity that is strangling this platform, and if people don’t know me from a hole in the wall, it’ll be that much easier to discredit me when I try to criticize the circlejerking that goes on here.

In other words, I’m a human being, and I have opinions, and I’m flawed. But that doesn’t mean I can’t or don’t try my best to act objectively and in the best interests of the server when I’m performing my admin duties. That’s reality, and hiding behind alt accounts just to pretend that I’m a pure paragon of justice on my admin account isn’t really my style, and I don’t really see how it would benefit anyone.

It doesn’t need to be a competition.

That’s a decent argument, but America isn’t the only nationality that speaks English natively. Canada, NZ, Britain, Ireland, Australia all exist and the type of behavior I’m talking about doesn’t get directed towards them. Furthermore, English is the primary language of internet discourse. Lemmy has potential to move beyond that paradigm, but the vast majority of content still remains in English, and the vast majority of users speak English, even if it’s not their native language.

More importantly, I want to clarify my meaning, because you seem to be misinterpreting. People commenting on negative events in America is fine with me, I have no problem with that. It’s when people say crazy out of pocket shit in unrelated threads and get upvoted for it that I become annoyed.

I didn’t want to put anyone specific on trial here, so I didn’t mention it until now, but there was one specific user who provides a good example of this behavior. A few months ago I rebuked him for his constant insults and hating on Americans. I was able to find dozens of aggressive, insensitive comments that he had just made within the previous couple weeks. I won’t name him in this comment, but if you read through this thread you’ll know.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/26023070/14232483

First of all, note the 10 downvotes u/ferret received for making the simple, factual observation that the US has the largest population of English speakers in the world by a significant margin. That seems a bit unwarranted, no?

Then, when I provide the evidence of this user’s persistent toxicity towards Americans at the end of the thread, everybody who was downvoting us suddenly fades into the woodwork and pretends it never happened. That’s fucking gaslighting, people talk mad shit and then when they get called out they just run away and act like it never happened. I’m gonna transcribe that vitriol again, because I’m sick of people acting like I’m being super sensitive and it’s only because of my American privilege and it’s just the same shit that other nationalities deal with. It’s not normal, it’s abusive and pathological hatred and it’s only acceptable when directed towards Americans.

Again, that’s just from a single user over a period of 2-3 weeks. This kind of attitude is pervasive across Lemmy, and it’s a big problem because it drives away a lot of potential users.

See if you can find me an example of another Lemmy user who is on a crusade like that against a different nationality. Not just a reasonable criticism of a political or economic event, but someone who is actively going out of their way to insult and berate one specific nationality. Because I’d wager I could find dozens more lemmings that constantly act that way towards Americans if I really wanted to.

Hmm, that’s interesting. It’s definitely from your app, I’m not confusing the settings. When I click the “Speak as mod” button, the shield appears. I assume that Voyager just automatically displays all admins in red.

Unfortunately, I don’t think there is any way for me to hide my admin status, at least in the current Lemmy version. And honestly, there probably shouldn’t be. It might also be because you have a local SJW account, while users from other servers would only see their local admins in red. Idk.

I appreciate the advice and you’ve got a good point, but it’s never really been a problem for me before. One of the best things about Lemmy is that the admins aren’t so high and mighty that they don’t interact with normal users.

I was just a normal user when I first joined, and then I got elected as a moderator of TheAgora, and then TheDude eventually appointed me as an admin to help manage the server. Then eventually I appointed kerploosh and InEnduringGrowStrong later on, who were also just normal SJW users up until then. I’m very proud of the fact that our admins are just normal users who enjoy Lemmy and are trying to help the server flourish in any way we can. There may come a point where we grow to a size where that approach is no longer tenable, but at the current growth rate, I don’t see it happening any time soon.

Yea I’m sure there are a lot of Americans hating on ourselves, the type of Americans who use Lemmy tend to be pretty pissed off at the direction of the country. But it still contributes to a really exhausting, depressing atomosphere at times. Not to mention unbalanced/biased

That’s good to hear, I’m sorry to bring this negativity into our community but I just needed to get it off my chest somehow.

Holy moly, that’s a whole Juan Soto down the drain.

Thank you, that’s a balanced take and I appreciate the advice.

That’s fair, but somehow I never seem to see hatred directed towards any other nationality on Lemmy, aside from Americans. It seems like such behavior would inevitably be downvoted, as it should be.

But when it comes to Americans, it’s open season for people to take pot shots, and it always gets upvoted regardless of its accuracy.

I was being condescending at times, because people were throwing around insane accusations of me being a russian plant and refusing to acknowledge any validity to the complaints being voiced. Why shouldn’t I condescend those who spread senseless vitriol for no apparent reason? They deserve to be criticized and mocked, because that’s exactly what they’re doing to other people. The dude I was talking to literally bullied one of my users into deleting their account, then tried to put me on blast for no reason. I have more than enough justification to treat people such as those with disdain.

You all seem to implicitly think I’m somehow proud or bragging about America being the largest economic and military force in the world. That’s not even remotely the case, I think it’s entirely fucked. But that’s the world we live in. I’m just trying to explain what I’ve experienced and observed here, and understand what is causing that behavior.

I wasn’t arguing, I was agreeing with the OP and suggesting that rather than Russian/Chinese agents, there was a more likely source of the hatred.

I don’t think all Europeans are anything, they are a very diverse group. I’m just trying to understand why people act the way they do on Lemmy, based on what I’ve observed over the past year or so. When you see aggresively angry takes being highly upvoted in random threads for seemingly no reason, you search for a psychological rationale, and that was my conclusion. As I said, I would be salty about America too, if I wasn’t born here. We’re fucking up big time, and the rest of the world is along for the ride. But berating people on Lemmy isn’t likely to change anything for the better.

I know that I could have come off more diplomatically, but it’s a bit rich to accuse me of trolling for reacting strongly to a slew of personal insults and attacks that never seems to end. You’re lucky that I even bother to respond, unlike the thousands of Americans who silently perceived that they weren’t welcome on this site and slunk back to reddit.

I’m trying to help you understand how you’re making people feel, regardless of whether your behavior is caused by jealousy or some other emotion. The constant picking apart of my words without addressing the meat of my argument is exhausting, and everyone has a breaking point where they just don’t wanna deal with it anymore.

I support you in this decision. To me, Lemmy is fundamentally about the free exchange of ideas, independent from the prevailing mainstream dogma. This platform was built to accommodate a diversity of experiences and viewpoints, and allow people to engage with unfamiliar perspectives without being overwhelmed by them.

This policy only applies to lemmy.world, it doesn’t apply to every server on the fediverse. If the complainers truly feel that their experience is being negatively impacted by this policy, then go ahead and move to one of the many servers that maintain the policy of removing and banning opposing viewpoints on sight. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with finding your preferred walled garden and savoring that environment.

But if Lemmy is just a collection of echo chambers, there won’t be any space for people to hash out their differences of opinion, and we will just become more isolated and out of touch. As the largest server in the network, I think it’s quite suitable for lemmy.world to explicitly advocate for a diversity of viewpoints, and I believe it will ultimately benefit the platform as a whole.