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  • What that link actually says:

    To the Ukrainians’ dismay, there was a crucial departure from what Ukrainian negotiators said was discussed in Istanbul. Russia inserted a clause saying that all guarantor states, including Russia, had to approve the response if Ukraine were attacked. In effect, Moscow could invade Ukraine again and then veto any military intervention on Ukraine’s behalf — a seemingly absurd condition that Kyiv quickly identified as a dealbreaker. Russia tried to secure a veto on Ukraine’s security guarantees by inserting a clause requiring unanimous consent.

    With that change, a member of the Ukrainian negotiating team said, “we had no interest in continuing the talks.”



  • Nobody made the argument that simply using cluster munitions equals ethnic cleansing on its own.

    Saying “they’re doing ethnic cleansing” and backing it up with a link that’s just “they’re using cluster munitions” is literally exactly this

    It is predominantly ethnically Russian, and those are the people who are being targeted.

    The point I was making was that the only person who described themselves in terms of identity in that link called himself Ukrainian. This makes it very poor evidence for Ukraine targeting ethnic Russians.

    Bad faith is arguing about something you have no understanding of and wasting everyone’s time. See this is what a bad faith argument looks like.

    What exactly do you think I’m trying to convince you of that I haven’t been open and honest about? I said exactly why I do not think that that source is worth my time based on the five other sources you put it with and how you used them.

    Clearly you didn’t watch the lecture if you need to ask that question as it clearly explains the demographics in Ukraine

    I know what the demographics are. I have watched Mearsheimer’s lecture, but it really is not necessary to get an overview of something as basic as where different ethnicities are concentrated in Ukraine. The fact that there are a bunch of ethnic Russians living in that part is not evidence of ethnic cleansing by Ukraine. Neither is Russia feeling threatened by eastern European countries joining the EU or NATO.

    the ethnic cleansing that western backed fascists started doing after the coup in 2014.

    So your position is that the ethnic cleansing happened in the ~two months between Yanukovych fleeing Ukraine in February and the declarations of the DPR and LPR in April?




  • “Using cluster munitions” still does not equal “ethnic cleansing”

    Maybe read up on how Ukraine was put together by USSR and what ethnicities live there.

    Eastern Ukraine is not 100% ethnically Russian

    If you think that spending an hour to educate yourself on a subject you’re debating is too much time

    “Educate yourself on a subject” does not equal “reply to a social media comment”. I said the latter was not worth one hour, not the former. This is an extremely bad faith response to what I said.

    That hour long video you refuse to watch documents ethnic cleansing in great detail.

    See the thing is you put it alongside five other sources which you also said showed ethnic cleansing, but they did nothing of the sort. As such I see no reason to believe you on this.

    Here’s a whole lecture you can watch on the problems that led to separatism

    Yes, I know the Mearsheimer lecture. It is not about ethnic cleansing. So why are you bringing it up to back up your claim about ethnic cleansing?